Ugh this isn't what HOAs are for!
HOAs are intended to harass and discriminate against black and brown people so that they don't move in, or at least immediately leave.
Not white guys with majestic beards.
He must've been giving water to black or brown people, it's the only justifiable reason.
HOA's are for people who used to be in positions of perceived power at work but now they're retired and they miss bossing/bitching at people.
They're for people who don't feel dominated enough by daddy government so they add another layer.
HOAs are intended to harass and discriminate against black and brown people so that they don’t move in
Lol I was going to make a joke here about "Redline Homes Inc." - but it turns out there really is such a company, in Oklahoma of course.
My favorite HOA conflict:
https://www.jeepforum.com/threads/epic-hoa-parking-boot-battle.572540/
TL;DR - HOA boots a car parked outside a guys house. He puts the car up on dollies and pushes it into his garage.
They accuse him of stealing the boot.
He tells them they can come get it any time they want.
They tell him it's $140 to remove the boot.
He tells them "Nah, it's cool, I don't need to drive the car." LOL.
Edit Also in Arizona... Something in the water down there?
There's a new-ish genre of Youtubers these days, Arizona home inspectors showing what a gigantic clusterfuck new house construction is there. I can't decide which is my favorite disaster: exterior walls that are just paper and stucco, or the gas leaks at literally every house. In AZ, the HOAs are the least of people's problems.
Fair warning for anyone who wants to boot my car I own a cordless angle grinder...
They can get you for destruction of property then. Luckily most non-law enforcement use cheap ass boots. I had an apartment complex boot an old truck of mine because I let the registration expire on since I was about to trade it in for a new(er) car. I simply deflated the tire enough to wiggle it free and threw it in a bush, then I pumped the tire back up and drove it to a Walmart parking lot for a couple of days.
the heat does something to your brain, or its just the sort of people who move to arizona are already freaks
HOAs seem like they should be illegal. Having a contract in perpetuity that is attached to the purchase of property seems like it shouldn't be allowed. So it is not only bound to the person who originally signed, but to whoever purchases the relevant property afterwards, and that gives other people rights over you that can be changed afterwards and are only limited by their conscience.
I basically don't think you should be able to create a government by using a contract.
HOAs are the direct result of racists trying to work around de-jure segregation being abolished, so yeah.
I basically don't think you should be able to create a government by using a contract.
It's basically what Anarco-capitalism wants to do. Incidentally, HOAs form the best real world argument against Anarco-capitalism.
HOAs are elected and operated by the residents. Yeah they're often shitty, but as residents you can change them.
Also, government creation contracts are called constitutions. Lots of countries have them.
Also, government creation contracts are called constitutions. Lots of countries have them.
I also enjoy pedantic arguments, but I try to remember to avoid them when I think the topic is important. I had to stop myself from arguing against this point, because even if I won the argument, it wouldn't mean anything.
If you squint a lot, HOAs could be a mechanism for bringing neighborhoods together. It allows them to self-govern over the shared resources for the neighborhood. Want to get a company to run fiber to everyone's home, or build a solar/wind farm for fewer dollars per MW than rooftop solar could ever do? An HOA is a legal mechanism to setup the financing and agreements to make that work in an affordable way for the residents.
Most HOAs are not setup for anything like that. They're for requiring what fencing contractor you have to use and banning natural lawns.
My new neighborhood has a corporate HOA and they won’t hand over control to the residents until a certain % of houses are occupied. The problem is the builder has been building houses for the past 4 years and they’re far away from completion, so we have to deal with the shitty HOA until then.
I found an update about the vote to remove the three board members.
Homeowners voted 190 to 20 in favour of removal, however the board cancelled the vote claiming there wasn't a 24 hour notice given to the community and subsequently that 210 votes might not qualify a quorum of more than a thousand homes.
Oh, that will go well. Piss off people and make their vote not count. The people that know where you live and can see your front door...
To play devil's advocate for a moment, having a sufficient vote notification period is important.
Though if that were the board's true concern, they surely would have announced intention to notify the community alongside their statement cancelling the vote for this reason, which hasn't happened insofar as I can tell.
Voting details:
According to recent census data, Goodyear has 2.7 people per household. It doesn't say for the city specifically, but Arizona appears to have a minor population of 21%. I saw in the statement this association represents "over 1,000" households. In my experience, that could mean anywhere from 1,001 - 1,099 homes. The city of Goodyear held a vote earlier this year to approve a water utility contract, which lists an expected voter turnout of 17%.
By this, I'm guessing less than 3,000 people live in this community, with about 2,400 eligible to vote on an association proposal, but likely around 400 people that would go to the effort of voting on such a tedious issue.
I think that if half of the community shows up with less than a day's notice to make themselves heard, that's probably representative enough for how the community feels about these board members.
Those kinds of shenanigans get HOAs nullified by court order.
Donald stated you’ll never have to vote again… retards cheered. This is how it will start.
What a dystopian hell hole. My condolences to everyone having something like HOA in their lives. May you all experience a civilised and free country at some point.
The HOA I live in doesn't allow motorcycles in the driveway. Garage only.
I have two. They take up more room than you'd expect.
I see many homeless people in my area, I am more withdrawn but I always think of grabbing a case of water for our hot times to hand out, even if it may not be cool. Sort of too shy to follow through previously but it gets like 30-40C this part of Canada in the summer and we sort of need water to live.
How anyone that lives in a country that has HOAs can unironically call it "land of the free" is beyond me
Some HOAs can be quite nice as they're just there to add some basic community rules. However, many are hijacked by a handful of narcissistic individuals who let this insignificant amount of power go to their heads and they turn into a bunch Mussolinis
Having served on the board of my building, you see what slobs and mindless people you share the planet with. Letting their pets piss in the hallway. It gets cleaned by staff, right? What's the problem? Compost stinks, leave the bin in the hallway! Doesn't matter as long as I don't smell it, right?
That's the thing, the sheer amount of imbeciles who occupy these units make you question how society got to this point.
"ProPTeRy VaLUes!"
No one sees any value in just living in their homes. They have to be statements on your personal wealth, and though that, statements on your character as a human being. Living under the thumb of narcissists is a small price to pay so your neighbor doesn't look poor.
If you’re in a state with ballot measures, then you could campaign for rules against single family home HOAs.
Would be interesting to know what rule they might have that could be interpreted in such a way to ban giving out water (and which should be referenced in a citation, no?) but the article doesn't mention anything of the sort.
It does:
The Canyon Trails HOA and its management company, F-S Residential, began issuing citations to Martin last year for having a cooler in his driveway.
My guess is the language about what can't be visible is very general to cover all kinds of things that could be considered "unsightly" like bikes, clothes, trash, etc.
I'm sure it could be fixed with some provision about the items being actively used but HOAs are dicks.
My guess is...
So in other words, the article doesn't mention which rule could be interpreted to ban giving out water.
Without reading the article and having dealt with an HOA in the past I will guess he was causing more traffic in the area
It's not paywalled. You could actually read it. As a spoiler alert, your guess appears to be wrong. They don't mention that as the issue.
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