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[-] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 3 weeks ago

Same as people stay in unfulfilling, shitty jobs that pay less, just so they don't risk losing health insurance or other "benefits."

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Double yeah

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 48 points 3 weeks ago

Ugh thanks for an unpleasant flashback :(

Ex was cheating all over town and my only choice for over six months was either put up with it or be homeless

I once told this story on reddit, and the majority consensus was that it was my fault for not working harder or whatever

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 weeks ago

smug redditors offering unsolicited "advice" are the absolute worst

[-] frezik 7 points 3 weeks ago

You're saying I shouldn't divorce my wife because they forget to put the spices back on the rack?

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

lol, I have been thinking about rules for a competition where you go on reddit to see if you can get certain types of disproportionate responses:

  • most innocuous foible for which someone recommends a divorce

  • most inoffensive post about Japan that causes someone to complain about WW2 war crimes

  • most reasonable mainstream position that causes someone to call you a tankie

any other suggestions?

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[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Whereas my unsolicited advice as a lemming is way more fun. So, to start with, im gonna need you to get an obsidian dagger, and look up where to buy live chickens.

Also, get some gloves, bleach, and antiemetics; this is gonna get messy.

[-] _AutumnMoon_ 3 points 3 weeks ago

why an obsidian dagger? do you have something against geologists?

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

why an obsidian dagger

Noob

something against geologists?

Yes but this is unrelated, how did you even make rhat connection?

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe they posted in an “advice” sub. That doesn’t make redditors not terrible at giving advice, just maybe it wasn’t unsolicited.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I had to help two friends who were in a similar situation, it was stressful for both of them to break up, knowing that there was housing insecurity. Getting all the arrangements together also took months.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yup. It was traumatic enough that ever since then I've always made sure that my current partner always has enough money in an account under their name to be able to leave whenever they want. It's nice knowing that they're staying with me because they want to.

[-] Zoop@beehaw.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm so sorry. You didn't deserve ANY of that bullshit!

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Sucks that you went through that. I'm not sure how I would have done that without getting in legal trouble.

Also, fuck the haters and trolls. People who don't know shit always try to give their advice.....so anyway here's what you should have done........

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Found out a month after buying our new house the reason we never saw our neighbors. They were in the midst of a divorce, but still living in the house, with the wife's boyfriend. So visits were a bit awkward. Fortunately that was right after the housing crash, so they were only stuck in the house for 2 years.

A lovely young couple bought the place and spent a year renovating it to live in with their kid...then divorced 6 months later. I don't think couples should live in that house any more, there's too much bad juju stored up in the walls.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 24 points 3 weeks ago

I dunno, renovating a house is hard, especially if you are living in it at the same time. You'd want to make sure your relationship is rock solid before attempting that. That said, kids are hard, you'd want to make sure your relationship is rock solid before attempting that, so yeah, maybe its the house ..

[-] Zephorah@discuss.online 9 points 3 weeks ago

There needs to be a one room at a time rule.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

There's a damn good reason why we in the working class are gaslit and prodded into converting our romantic relationships into glorified labour arrangements (ie, marriage) as soon as possible - intimacy requires time and energy... time and energy that, under a capitalist system, must be spent labouring for the parasite class and nothing else.

It's also the reason why any children that results from such intimate relationships must be mass-corraled into glorified creches (ie, our so-called "education system") at the first opportune moment - we can't have the working class spend any undue amount of time actually doing any parenting, now can we?

[-] TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

So many decisions get made because you gotta make sure you secure a bag of some kind.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

Women have almost always through history needed a male supporter for housing or they needed to live in family cooperative situations.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

When 'women's rights' became a thing,and women could live as independent humans, young widows became an oddity.

I guess you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think the rise in marriage age and reduction in wars also helped. Used to be a 21 year old mother of two lost her husband in some battle or workplace accident.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

We know pre-farming societies were far more balanced between the sexes, if not outright matriarchical

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

this is why more dv shelters/womens shelters need to offer vocational assistance

[-] Beebabe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I admit it. I couldn’t never pay the rent on my own. When I was younger I essentially stayed with whoever picked me. My marriage went on way too long because I needed to finish college/fieldwork or be stuck with a man who hated me and had someone ten years younger he’d gotten pregnant at college…funny that none of us could actually afford to leave each other until I graduated and got out of their way. Because of environment and poor decisions, I put myself and the kids through unforgivable stress. I’m in my thirties now, the kids are almost grown, and I make great money. But I’m an empty person. I’ll give them what I never had though, so they won’t be in relationships to pay their bills. I’m pretty sure one will be an engineer.

[-] Unlocking_Freedom@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry to read that, it seems economically if people can get to late 30's paying little rent, having no mortgage they have saved money.

I'm 46 years old and so paying rent from here on till the end is cheaper than a mortgage.

Of course I could not have children.

[-] Beebabe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I think you’re right. If I didn’t have the responsibilities I do, renting a smaller place until expiring would probably be my route.

[-] Unlocking_Freedom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I suppose once your kids have moved out, you could always try van dwelling. I did that, for fun, for three years and saw half the world. There is something special, it is in terms of "life style", a true life style change. It is solar panels, double bed, 12 volt fridge, wifi, gas cookers / heating and an open road.

https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann/vans.htm

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Wildly unbalanced capitalism without strong controls and social policy. All systems seem to fall prey to corruption because people try to corrupt the system to enrich themselves and their friends, then cement their gains with whatever power they can flex.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"But my version of Capitalism will work!"

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Says every person designing the system to benefit themselves most.

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[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

What exactly is it about "capitalism" that you like? What are you so attached to, that you wpuld contrive to keep something so fucked up?

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The ability to invest in new ideas and advance them more rapidly thanks to the incentive of profit. Yeah, shitload of baggage comes with that when it’s not on a tight leash, but capitalism is excellent at seeking out new things to make money with. Technologies, meds, design, whatever. Patently obvious when you compare that to, say, quantum physics, which has no profitable ROI and constantly struggles for funding and thereby advances at a snail’s pace.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So we can only get cool new stuff as the benefit of a scam?

Things that woukd imptove all our lives but not be profitable don't get done.

Everything is deployed in the most extractive exploitative way. New things aren't allowed to just be cool.

What if we just had a society that valued science and innovation and cool new efficiencies? All the benefit and then some, none of the costs. You can do that authoritarian (the ussr sucked in a lot of ways, but they kind of kicked ass at science, there's a proof of concept, cuba punches above its weight class in that category too) or anarchic.

And thats more stable less contrived than a mythical 'capitalism that responds to none of the incentives and does none of the behaviors of capitalism'.

Capitalism doesnt own science, did not invent it, isn't even good for it.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Why the hyperbole? Why the binary choice? I have no real interest in defending unfettered capitalism, I argue for strict controls on it with strong social policy. However, you cannot deny that greed advances things very quickly, from shitty things like tiktok to Big Pharma pushing out a new drug that they can charge $10k USD a dose for.

What if…? My man, I would love a Star Trek TNG society where we are all above the pillaging of the Earth and each other for personal gain. But unless you have a plan to radically alter society in the near future your “what if” is fantasy.

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[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Most of our really important discoveries came from publicly funded research.
The internet wasn't invented by capitalism.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Don’t split hairs. I didn’t say discoveries.

[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, get off this dead horse, will ya. Like anything else cannot do this, only capitalism can

[-] cobalt32 4 points 3 weeks ago

Do you have reason to believe that this problem is currently caused by something other than capitalism?

[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Of course. It predates capitalism and any other -ism as well. Or did everyone live happily in ancient times?

[-] cobalt32 2 points 2 weeks ago

Before about 12,000 years ago, humans primarily lived as immediate return hunter-gatherers. There was no way to accumulate wealth, so this problem didn't exist. There was no financial burden involved in leaving a relationship.

I am not advocating for a return to hunting and gathering, but I believe we can design a new system, based on equality of decision-making power, that avoids the pitfalls of our more recent hierarchy-based systems.

[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wow, do I wholeheartedly thank you for this. Yes, we need something better, and I want to see more of "I think this will work better than what we have, because...", and not "I think capitalism is bad". Me personally would have started not with the system but people, buut as long as every aspect of life is going to eventually taken care of, bottom-up or top-down way of getting there does not really matter

[-] cobalt32 2 points 2 weeks ago

I focus on the system rather than on individual people because I believe people ultimately act in their own best interests, and that the system is what defines those interests. If we replaced every politician with someone else, but left the system the same, I don't think any long-term change would occur.

Here's an excellent YouTube video explaining this in more detail. This YouTuber has a whole playlist on political theory and anthropology that I cannot recommend enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2LRn9LM4jY

[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

If something external defines my best interests, I am a fool. Thank you for the link, will definitely watch it

[-] oftheair 3 points 3 weeks ago

And non-humans too 🙂

[-] Griffus@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

The US seems like an increasingly bigger dystopia for every post about basic human rights that is a standard in the civilised world but they are lacking. But still they keep voting to let the billionaires rip them off decade after decade.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Voting, yeah that matters. The institutions are captured. If we ever won a vote, it would be thrown away ajd the oligarchy's choice would be appointed.

Edit: 'if'. In 2000 this happened explicitly.

[-] RockBottom@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

An iron curtain is not the tool to realize such truths. Let people roam, but with open eyes.

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