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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 263 points 4 weeks ago

Grandma is not the problem. It’s the ~800 billionaires in the US controlling sizable portions of single-family residences through private equity, artificially controlling market prices for maximum profit per sale. Blackstone alone owns 300,000 residences.

Fun Fact: There are 16 million vacant homes nationwide. That’s 28 vacant homes for every unhoused person.

https://ips-dc.org/report-billionaire-blowback-on-housing/

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 168 points 4 weeks ago

I've said this before (and caught flak for it) but I think the solution to this is to apply a heavy additional tax to vacant homes (as defined as any home that isn't occupied by a permanent resident for more than 6 months a year), and increase the tax exponentially for each residence beyond the first owned by the same company or individual.

At some point, you make it so expensive to keep unoccupied properties that they're better off letting people live there for free than continuing to let them go unoccupied. Use all of the proceeds from this tax to assist homeless people or build new dense housing developments.

"But Kobold, what about soandso with their summer home?" If you can afford a second home, you can afford to pay a bit more tax on it to benefit the public good.

"But Kobold, a lot of those homes that are vacant are run-down, or are in places nobody actually wants to live!" Doesn't matter. If they're vacant, tax them. Use the money to build dense housing in the places where people do want to live. If the place is too run-down to be occupied, the owner can tear it down and do something else with it.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 weeks ago

One issue with the holiday home thing, they tend to be in quite remote places where there are very few job opportunities, because that's where people go on holiday.

[-] basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 4 weeks ago

If you can afford a second home, you can afford to pay a bit more tax on it to benefit the public good.

This part applies. It's not about directly getting a house for the homeless in this case, it's the fact that they can CLEARLY afford to pay more tax.

[-] Fredthefishlord 17 points 4 weeks ago

My extended family in Michigan keeps a hunting cabin that they split costs between 5 people on and can still barely make the mortage... Is that clearly able to afford more taxes?

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 40 points 4 weeks ago

I'd sacrifice your family's hunting cabin if it helps house more people. Find a sixth person or something.

It's an edge case that shouldn't hold up societal progress.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago

The added tax revenue would also make the rural places these vacation home are in more sustainable for regular residents. And probably keep local governments and even small hospitals solvent.

[-] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

It might even alleviate the financial burdens that are making that situation almost untenable for them now as real estate markets are corrected and added tax revenue gets allocated into public benefits that could reduce the cost of living. They may benefit from the proposal even if tax rates get increased on subsequent properties.

[-] Fredthefishlord 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No, it shouldn't hold up societal progress. But not being aware of how your policies actually affect people is just plain bad. I agree with progressive taxes on multi house ownership, but you also need to understand that will mean people who are less rich than you think losing them, it's not just people that can afford them. And it's not as far an edge case as you think, I believe

[-] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Or does the correction in housing pricing lower their actual taxes paid in total on their main properties, granting them more breathing room, allowing them to comfortably afford the hunting lodge even if the rate itself has increased? You're expecting everything else to remain the same and just increased tax rates as a whole. Something like this would readjust the market values of properties and the subsequent tax being paid while making sure those corporations hoarding properties are taxed appropriately and providing inventory into a market that would bring pricing back down to earth. The rate could be increased but total paid could be lowered in these cases of second homes so long as tax increase is exponential and not flat on additional properties. The goal of measures like this would be to make companies hoarding thousands of properties an untenable option not to hurt every person who might look into having a second or third property.

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[-] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Or if housing costs were reigned in via this measure would the costs they are burdened with that make it barely feasible for 5 families to split the mortgage cost on a hunting cabin in a remote rural area be alleviated. Granting them more financial freedom, benefiting society all while still keeping the place thats becoming nearly untenable for them due to outrageous real estate markets?

[-] Fredthefishlord 3 points 3 weeks ago

They can barely split it because they're all broke af not because the house is expensive. The house and land are pretty cheap

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[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

Neither Republicans nor Democrats would do something like this. It would be siding with the people over the stockmarket/Billionaires.

[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Been shouting this for fucking ages.

[-] cenzorrll@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

I say the local government gets eminent domain on any properties that aren't primary residences staying vacant more than a year and/or vacant >75% of the time over 5 years. Make it the owners responsibility to keep someone living under the roof. There will be enough loopholes that it won't be their second home, by maybe by the third and any corporately owned ones they'll start to sweat.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 53 points 4 weeks ago

So you're saying granny would be fine with a 100% return on her investment at $36 for an offer? No? Shocked I say, shocked.

Granny is part of the problem. Not the biggest part of the pie, but still guilty.

[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 13 points 3 weeks ago

Inflation is a thing that exists. Saying that someone is bad simply because they want to update the value of their property is dumb. Also, let's say granny wants to downisze. Should she sell her home for a value way below market and then be unable to buy a smaller home for herself?

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[-] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah this is honestly just an incredibly short-sighted and stupid take on the issues. Granny is in the same bucket with the young man in that they are both getting played by billionaires. Being mad at her is an incredible waste of energy compared to campaigning for fair taxes on corporation and billionaires. Anyone with less than 10 million net worth isn't really your enemy. Stay focused on winning the class Warfare and not dividing regular people.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Grandma is not the problem.

You can't go blaming the institutions for the high cost of living when it is very clearly this one anonymous old person who isn't giving this other anonymous young person a sweetheart deal out of misplaced nostalgia.

Fun Fact: There are 16 million vacant homes nationwide.

Okay, but a bunch of them are in the Rust Belt, where de-industrialization eviscerated the economy and caused a mass exodus to the Gulf Coast and the Mountain West in pursuit of lower wage service sector and sales employment.

I suppose you're going to claim that the wholesale restructuring of the manufacturing economy was the fault of a handful of 90s-era Wall Street bankers and Corporate Executives, rather than millions of Boomer-era suburbanites with pocket change in their retirement accounts 40 years ago?

Likely. Fucking. Story. This is just bigotry against the 1% is what it is.

[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Almost bit the bait lol

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 weeks ago

I’ve never subscribed to this generational hatred, as true as it is that the boomers voted for this shit, on account of it’s clearly a deliberate psyop “divide and conquer” campaign. It’s as obvious as the crack epidemic or redlining.

[-] SGforce@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It's hard when you work with a guy like I do. He's 65 and hates absolutely everybody, including his wife, but he's a coward so he's very polite. He requires so much coddling that he spends all day sucking up to everyone for whatever praise he can get then immediately turns around and complains about them. He'll complain about everyone else to the point where they get their breaks and other privileges taken away. Those privileges are also taken from him, giving him more to complain about.

It gets worse, but I'm about to go to bed and don't want to think about that.

That piece of fucking shit. Sorry about the rant. But guys like that ruin everything for everybody.

[-] mugthol@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 weeks ago

It seems like that is more of an asshole problem than an age problem

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[-] EdgeOfDistraction@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

Nah, I'm happy to bag on anyone that benefits from a system and then pulls the ladder up behind them.

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[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 7 points 3 weeks ago

By remaining invisible, the billionaires avoid having the finger pointed at them. We only point at each other.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Guess what that generation bought into and voted for for decades.

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[-] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 80 points 3 weeks ago

Almost helped an old lady across the street, but then she said "I need about tree fitty" and that's when I realized that this old lady was 10 stories tall and a crustacean from the Paleozoic Era.

[-] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

If you were any smarter you wpuld inherit the house from your grandma and flip it yourself for big gains

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Surprise surprise, you only inherit a bunch of debt because that generation lived by "you can't take it with you".

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As someone who’s dealing with the estate process right now, I don’t think anyone inherits debt. It’s paid out of the estate and nobody else is responsible for those debts.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

but if theres enough debt the other assets go towards that rather than the inheritors.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That’s literally what I just said. Debts are paid out of the estate. The estate assets will always be used to pay off remaining debts before the inheritors get anything.

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Not really, but there's not much being left for the children of boomers to inherit.

edit: And in the broader sense, yes. Millennial and younger are inheriting the debt from Bush II's wars. We didn't have any vote on that matter, but we're the ones who are paying that off. 2.8 trillion. After the shitshow of a covid response, I never want to hear someone mention the 3000 dead.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I hear the opposite, boomer’s kids stand to inherit quite a bit. Anecdotally this seems true; granted I am an only child.

My father is likely to leave me with a few hundred thousand of his retirement account (he doesn’t know what to spend it on, his union pension is more than enough for his needs) and I’ll inherit both his house as well as my grandmothers house, which is now my uncle’s house. My mom’s house will be sold and split between my half brother and my cousin who my mother raised.

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[-] clockwork_octopus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Ngl, $950K for a house sounds like a steal. Can’t buy a tear-down starter home around here for that cheap…

[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

The fuck is going on where you live?

My family and I bought a 250m² house for less than 50k. (2yrs ago)

[-] brendansimms@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Meanwhile, in the suburbs of DC/Baltimore you have 96m² for $414k: Local Listing

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like the SF Bay Area, SoCal, NY, GTA, VAN, or London.

[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

And I'm living in a metropolis of 750 souls in buttfuck France.

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[-] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm currently living in a slightly smaller house that's valued at 250k. The roof leaks and the porch is falling apart, but the town has doubled in size since COVID, and so has the cost of housing.

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[-] charonn0@startrek.website 9 points 3 weeks ago

You shouldn't help old ladies cross the street anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JESczegwk0g

[-] bier@feddit.nl 6 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah let's blame grondma it's absolutely her fault we had inflation and rising house prices in the last 50 years. She did it all by herself!

[-] breecher@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

This inter-generational strife nonsense is the greatest deflection the oligarchs have come up with to make people forget who their real enemies are.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

full throttle

TKO

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