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submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

edit: seems like some people interpret “full of” as a mathematical majority which, while it may or might not be true instance to instance, isn’t my intent in posting

feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 86 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Eh... I live in the cousin-fuckingly-deep South. In a city, and I work in a hospital, so I think it's pretty safe to say this is one of the more left leaning bubbles within a hundred miles. ...and there are still a fuckton of Nazis here.

There are absolutely decent people trapped here, but we're legit outnumbered. It isn't just gerrymandering or some shitty system at fault: the majority of southerners are just fucking evil.

There's always some thinly veiled excuse - "We don't hate women, we just want to protect the babies!" "We don't hate immigrants, we just want to protect our jobs!" "We don't hate trans people, we just want to protect our bathrooms!" but when you hear them talk amongst themselves about those people it's pretty clear they really do just hate them.

Most southerners are sincerely not good people.

[-] tiny_iota@endlesstalk.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

yep. had a convo with a friend I've known since 2nd grade about why he would vote for a prezzo who vows to ban all muslims (half my family) he had no clear answer just sputtered that he didn't think he'd actually do it. And if he did he'd protest it.

I told him to shove his fake concern up his ass and he blocked me on all media. These people veil their hatred and pretend we can't tell.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

(edit: i came to an understanding with the person im responding to and i was not happy with how this comment was worded so deleting it because it wasn’t contributing)

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I mean for sure it's the entire country, with only depressingly slight variations in concentration one way or the other - but your image is about southerners specifically, so that's what I addressed.

...and honestly, it scales up as high as you want to take it - for the most part, humans are just evil sacks of shit.

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[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago

With the victory of the current administration, you are applying a description of unequivocally the entire nation and relagating it only to those of the lowest income, those closest to historical slavery, and those with the fewest educational opportunities.

As another person who works in a hospital of one of the poorest and most conservative states in the union....I don't think you really know what you are talking about.

First of all, there is no such thing as a basic definition of what makes up good people and bad people. You can be good to your family and your neighbors and be incredibly racist, bigoted, or just unempathetic towards anyone else outside your daily life.

What I notice about the South the most is the inability to be compassionate to anyone who isn't right in front of them.

think if you engage more thoughtfully with historical realities you might begin to come to a different understanding.

Historical realities can negatively shape culture...... What about the Souths history leads you to believe that most of southerners are "good people" and how exactly do you quantify good?

No offense, but do you live in the South? And if so....are you a person of color or another minority, because if not you may not be getting the full experience.

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[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 48 points 4 weeks ago

Since 2013 we’ve seen disenfranchisement in Alabama in real time. Require strict new voter id, then close the DMVs in black and left leaning areas. Combine polling places in democratic leaning areas so they are further away and have long lines. Move polling places so they are no longer accessible by bus. Those are just the obvious ones, but the Republicans’ strategy has been to do anything they can to stop people from voting.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago

i would love so hard some legislation that requires voting ids on contingency that independent local sources find that access to ids are hugely increased

which means it will never happen but hey a girl can dream

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 42 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Most folks in the south are good, honest, hard-working people - but the levels of propaganda aimed at keeping them ignorant and blaming minorities for systemic issues are hard to overstate. That coupled with a crumbling education system, poverty, and voter suppression is what keeps the south voting against the best interests of the majority of people.

The average Southern voter is just trying to do the right thing with the information they have access to. Doesn't make them any less wrong, but it does make the situation more morally complex.

It always makes me sad when I see people in Left spaces saying things like "it serves them right" etc etc when disasters occur. Sure, the majority of voters may have voted for policies that caused these things, but they are ignorant and have been lied to their whole lives. Not to mention all the folks who have been disenfranchised by the system.

Edit: for those responding: most. Most people. Like 40% of people don't vote. And another 25+% vote Dem. Of the remaining 30-35% that decide elections for Republicans, most of those are extremely misled, either thinking Dems are to blame for Rep policies that harm them, that Dem policies will make it impossible for them to make a living, etc. etc. A subset of those 30-35% are just outright evil and either want to throw everyone under the bus for a few tax breaks or are just rascists/bigots. But, that is not most people. Note, I don't lime the Democrats, but their policies are significantly less harmful than Rep policies. If you actually talk to people in the South, you would understand that. Some are out-and-out ghouls, but most people are miseducated, poor, and have been told who to blame by the powers that be.

[-] F1gm3nt3d@lemmy.world 22 points 4 weeks ago

I lived in VA. From 2nd to 9th grade pre-internet. Now VA. Is South but it's not west va., Mississippi, or Tennessee south. Even back then, you could spend an afternoon in a library and alleviate yourself of a lot of bad information unintentionally just by looking up that information. I know because I did. I'd hear grownups around me say sketchy shit and look into it. It's even easier to do so now. Just the act of seeking clarity can bring some small pieces of enlightenment. A lot of people didn't bother then and wouldn't now.

What's happening is post-truth BS. People just choosing to believe whatever the fuck they want, often without any verification.

Are some people being led astray? Absolutely. But they're also allowing themselves to be. People have been trying to convince southerners (and others) for decades, of not a century, that they're being screwed over and the people they vote in are doing the screwing but many just flatly refuse to look into it at all and just keep going on blind faith. What happened to personal responsibility and self-agency? Not to mention that some people are just dumpster fires given human form and those people definitely deserve to reap what they sow.

I don't wish hardship on anyone but if a person continually brings hardship on themselves through their own, thoughts, votes, and actions, while ignoring all the warnings being handed out like candy at Halloween, I don't find it surprising that others feel less inclined to be sympathetic let alone empathetic with their plight.

[-] lostoncalantha@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

So what you're saying is they can vote to fuck up the country and suppress other peoples freedoms. They can vote to instill pain fear and chaos in other peoples lives. But when the consequences of their vote bites them in the ass all of a sudden we need to have empathy and grace? Libs like you are why we are in this mess with fascism to begin with.

[-] Fredthefishlord 13 points 4 weeks ago

So? When the Internet exists to easily see the proof of reality, they are not blameless for taking in lies

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

BS, unless they're illiterate. They voted for the disaster and worse yet, Project 2025. "It serves them right," and they can continue to eat shit.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

It's just hard to swallow that people choose to ignore reams of facts they have access to because they "disagree" with them.

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

I’m with you. I live in a red state in the north, in a small island of blue, but if I drive for a few minutes in any direction it’s trump signs & bigotry.

I feel like I’m surrounded by idiots. They’re bringing my state down with them. It’s horrifying.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 11 points 3 weeks ago

Sending love ❤️ I truly hate to see would be-“progressives” laughing at the senseless deaths and violence just because some 30% of them voted a certain way.

It’s one of the ways that capital keeps the culture war lit, I find. Breed hatred and dehumanization for a people group while gleefully stripping that people group from self-determination at every opportunity.

I'm seeing a very ugly side around Lemmy the last couple of days. It's nice to see posts like this!

If something is despicable when your adversary does it, then it is despicable when you do it.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 3 weeks ago

We are not immune to propaganda! ❤️ It’s on all of us to help each other out, finding our blind spots.

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[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Food for thought. If youre a working adult youve invested in this country. You have every right to expect something in return. Like the expectation that your investment hasn't been squandered for the purpose of evil.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 17 points 3 weeks ago

i thought it was human nature for my paycheck to go to bomb apartment buildings several oceans away while my neighbors die of preventable diseases???? im confused

[-] knighthawk0811@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

i guess, but they voted for that too

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

the voting rights act was only in 1965. in a significant number of cases, no they did not

the 19th amendment was in 1920. in a significant number of cases, no they could not

it is demonstrably harder to vote if you are poor and harder to vote informedly if you are poor and uneducated all the way through 2025. no they did not vote for this.

thank you for proving exactly why this post needs to exist. class consciousness, not culture war.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Those examples are from 105 and 60 years ago.
There are ways to make the point you're going for, but invoking legislation that old doesn't do it.

Am I sympathetic to people who are ignorant and so voted against their own interests? Sure, a bit. A lot of southerners would take issue with trying to defend them with cries of "don't blame them, they're too stupid to agree with me!” though.
Am I sympathetic to people who have been systematically disenfranchised and economically abandoned? Of course, I'm not a monster.

The fact remains that a lot of people in red states earnestly believe in what they vote for. You can talk about class consciousness all you want, but the people fighting the culture doing so because of manipulation by the rich or powerful in a class war does fuck all to help the people loosing said culture war. I'm sure the suicidal trans kid takes great comfort that the people voting to make them illegal are just misled.

They've had every opportunity to inform themselves. Maybe eventually they'll hurt themselves enough to stop fighting the culture war you don't want others to fight.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago

60 years isn’t even close to life expectancy. so we are talking less than a lifetime ago. MLK’s daughter is alive, 62 years old (younger than most people in government) and posting on instagram about the same struggles her father fought.

plus did you even read the part about ongoing class disenfranchisement in 2025 (poor people being kept from voting)?

not even reading the rest of your comment since you couldn’t do the same for me. thanks for being such a genuine participant in this conversation.

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[-] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I can't do shit about that in Pennsylvania. You'd think there would have been more an effort to disprove the allegations or fix the problems sometime between 1865 and now.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 weeks ago

Guess what! People in the south frequently can’t do shit about it either. If you would like to blame this on the people who live there for not voting correctly, please explain to me what you think ‘gerrymandering’ and ‘disenfranchisement’ mean, and what the average person living in the south is supposed to do about this shit being greenlit by SCOTUS.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

Both things can be true: vote manipulation measures and voters choosing horribly.

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[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 weeks ago

And every time a city tries to do something good, the state steps in and stops it. This happens daily in Birmingham, Alabama where the state is constantly overturning things the city has passed or the state takes the ability away from the city.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

They got guns, don't they?

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 3 weeks ago

You are maybe being sardonic but you’re touching on a real poignant issue that’s worth investigating.

Notice how the NRA conveniently backs the oligarchic state? The average NRA member owns something like 17 guns. That is, they can afford 17 guns. NRA members are wealthy.

This is not an accident. Poverty has been weaponized to keep the majority-white, upper to middle class the ones that are armed, while the working class, the people of color, queer people, women, migrants, tend to be less armed and less able to organize.

Of course these are all trends, or tendencies, not hard and fast rules (plenty of Black or Queer Texans own guns), but on the whole, and especially in combination with a militarized, capital serving, police force it had a real dampening effect on ability to resist oppression.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 weeks ago

There are rights organizations that work across state borders for these causes. Not trying to shame, just putting out there that there are outlets for your talents, time, money, or even just verbal support.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

I solve this by not liking anyone anywhere.

[-] oppy1984@lemdro.id 4 points 4 weeks ago

I don't care about the color of your skin, your gender identity, your sexual identity, your political identity, what country your from, or your legal status here, I hate all humans equally, I just want to be left alone.

Narrator: And that children was the prophet who taught us to hate equally and mind your damn business.

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[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

You can replace "south" with "US" and it's just as true.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 3 weeks ago

honestly very correct. someone else pointed out that even the worst of us states were only 70/30 maga.

call me a bleeding heart lib but i don’t celebrate the suffering of 10 people just because 7 of them asked for it. 🙃

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[-] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/national-weather-service-alert-timeline-texas-flooding/3879084/

U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said Saturday it was difficult for forecasters to predict just how much rain would fall. She said the Trump administration would make it a priority to upgrade National Weather Service technology used to deliver warnings.

Sure, Kristi. I'm sure you'll say anything for headlines

During a news conference early Friday morning, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said he didn't know why the camps hadn't been evacuated, but that the county did not have an early warning system or outdoor sirens to alert people to flooding conditions.

“We’ve looked into it before … The public reeled at the cost,” Kelly said.

Democracy, but stupid people are making your voting decisions

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

Don't leave the basement and you wont have to worry about the weather

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[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

Since I can't tell if OP is a fed or not, given by the moderation here, I'll just repeat a famous quote by Reverend Charles Frederic Aked:

It has been said that for evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing

Time to do something OP, evil neighbors need not to persist.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 3 weeks ago

Busted 😆 I’m actually a fed, raking in thirty bucks a comment just to…

(checks notes) express solidarity with folks in deep red areas so they know they’re not alone out there.

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[-] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 3 weeks ago

It's clearly not full of them though. It's full of human scum who do horrible shit on a daily basis and actively harm everyone in the process.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 14 points 3 weeks ago

i think some people interpret “full of” differently and that’s a fair gripe to have with this post

as i said in the body text, feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, if only the MAGAts could read.

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