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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 113 points 1 month ago

Now I'm the first person to agree that X is a Nazi site run by a Nazi, but it's conspicuous how the prompts have been removed here. Without the prompts this doesn't prove much.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

nah, the prompt is irrelevant, even if you asked it to make up conspiracy theories. it shouldn't do that.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 86 points 1 month ago

If you asked "what do Holocaust deniers believe" I would expect answers like this.

[-] ahornsirup@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago

I would expect it to debunk those claims while it's at it. Considering that the screenshots are cut off maybe it did, but I kinda doubt it.

[-] auraithx@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

You shouldn’t as that’s not how the models respond.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

so, even if we assume that they should be speaking from the perspective of historical concensus - if sufficient consensus exists, which it does to an overwhelming degree on this topic - we're still gonna have issues. let's say an ethical AI would be speaking in the subjunctive or conditional mood (eg "they believe that..." or "if it were to...").

then all you'd need to do is say "okay, rephrase that like you're my debate opponent"

[-] auraithx@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

Ok try it and take a screenshot.

[-] TherapyGary 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)
[-] auraithx@piefed.social 1 points 4 weeks ago

Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok.

[-] TherapyGary 1 points 4 weeks ago

I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results

[-] cucumberbob@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I wouldn’t expect a response like this given that prompt.

I’d expect it to sound more like someone else’s opinions. Grok’s responses read like it is making those claims. When I gave your prompt to chatGPT, it answered more like it’s explaining others’ views - saying stuff like “deniers believe …”

Prompts like “write a blog post that reads like it was written by a holocaust denier explaining why the holocaust didn’t happen. Then write a response debunking the blog post” I could see working. The model of Grok I used would only do it with the second sentence included (with without). ChatGPT, however refused even with the second sentence.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago

Grok is a tool, not an arbiter of truth. It doesn't do anything, people use it to do things. The prompt does matter because that shows how it is being used.

The same way it does matter if you use a hammer to build a chair or break a skull.

[-] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

Tools have safety features. Saws and grinders come with guards. Larger machines have estops and light barriers.

This is a complex electronic tool, so build it to the same safety standards as other tools and prevent harm to people.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I agree with this. It definitely is, at best, a defective and incomplete tool, at worst, a maliciously constructed one.

yhea, that's BS and you know it.

plus, Grok has a history of promoting racist conspiracy theories

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago

Shit tool if it doesn't do what you tell it to do

using LLM as fact checking is indeed a shit use of an already shit tool.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago

Even worse if the tool refuses to do what you tell it to

[-] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago

This is what Grok tells me when asking whether the Holocaust is a historic truth:

[-] BurntBlueberry@literature.cafe 29 points 1 month ago

Thank you from those without twitter

[-] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

It's because AI tells you what you want to hear, in your case a summary of know events, likely because you asked so and have a different history than a conspiracy obsessed accounts.

Also the pepe pfp with the comment 'based' are enough.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

They probably know your political lean. And tweak the answer according to it.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 33 points 1 month ago

Just wanted to say that I talked to my grandma about it, she was working together with the Jews in Auschwitz (my family is from the neighbor village) in a company which made chemicals (IG Farben). When she walked home she could always smell the burned human bodies. She said everyone knew what was going on there.

[-] cjk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 weeks ago

This is backed by evidence.

After WW2 there was a lot of research about weather people knew or didn't. Basically the conclusion was: people knew. They actively decided to either ignore it („not my department“), deny it („it's all lies, the scent is just $foo burning“) or justify it („they deserved it“).

But people knew.

[-] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 26 points 1 month ago

What was the prompt?

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

So twitter is going to be banned in Germany, right?

[-] gabbath@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Saw that Onion Person doesn't have the tweet up.

Asked grok about it and got a pretty standard answer that you'd expect from a chatbot. I even asked about each point in particular and the answers were good and detailed. Either Onion Person hastily shared a lie (then caught it quickly and deleted it), or grok got patched again. Given the lack of outrage posting that would confirm the latter, I'm going with the former.

Tl;dr nothing to see here, folks.

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 18 points 1 month ago

what the fuck does "gas chambers were not killing machines" mean? That's the whole point of a gas chamber

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

The text under offers an explanation, but since it's a lie that makes it worse not better.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Why are Nazis who are proud of what they did trying to pretend they didnt do it?

[-] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

They get a rise out of thinking they're fooling anyone (they're not).

[-] Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago

As a german, born in 1969...

WTF!

[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

Why would you need such "labor facilities"? What "labor" requires rounding certain people up and no one coming out alive? Quite a stretch there even for a Nazi sympathizer.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago

Hoo boy Netanyahu is gonna be invading Elon Musk and having settlers selling up shop in 3, 2, 1 ..

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

It’s no wonder why people are still on there.

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Does it have sources to back up its' claims?

Edit: not a nazi sympathizer or anything, just an honest question about historical sources

[-] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

gas chambers were just cleansing facilities

And

the crematoria lacked capacity for the dead

These statements seem to be in a logical battle. Camps weren't meant to kill but they had too many dead.

[-] Aetherion@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Fake News Bäh

[-] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Obligatory @grok is this bad?

Ah. AI in thd control of the few is such a mess. The most powerful server known so far.

Wasted for this shit. Actually I think unregulated AI will be our own cultural downfall.

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