Wait why are democrats fighting him? I thought he was socialist or something
Democrats aren't fighting him, the DNC (Democratic National Convention) is. The party doesn't want him as their representative, because he doesn't match their values. But he represents what the Democrat constituents actually want and the DNC fears losing control over their constituents, so they want to ensure he loses the race.
The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it. The US doesn't actually have a left-wing party. Both our major parties are right-wing by global standards. So any truly left-wing candidates scare them, and they'll fight tooth and nail to keep them out of elections.
Even Cuomo, who was completely stomped in the primaries, is still planning to run in the election as an independent. Their hope is that his run will split the party and make Mamdani lose. If the Democratic Party can't get their man in the election, then they'll throw the race and take everyone down with them.
The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it.
The old RNC. The new Republicans have taken over and actually do want all the fascist hateful stuff. The old guard courted crazies and those crazies took over.
True. The more right the DNC leans, the more extremist right the RNC leans, to differentiates themselves from Democrats.
Yes, yes, everything the Republicans do is actually the fault of the Democrats. I've heard this one.
Which, fuckin' honestly, should be an object lesson for anyone who wants to advance progressive politics in this country. Engage in primary after primary and take over the party from within until the old guard are appalled at what it has become, except do that with good goals instead of horrifying ones.
And remember that by the time the election itself is at hand, it's too late to make meaningful change in the party platform. The primaries are what actually matter when it comes to changing course. Everything after that, it's just a binary choice between which of the major candidates you actually want in power.
Wait why are democrats fighting him?
Because he's advocating policies and reforms that run counter to the financial and social interests of the Democratic Leadership
That's actually the exact reason democrats are fighting him.
So he's too far left?
Despite what Fox News may tell you, the Democrats (well, the DNC leadership in particular) aren’t “left.”
There's way more nuance than Lemmy pretends. It's difficult to deal with, because there's a lot of nuance and several grains of truth lying around.
They're afraid if someone on "their side" is out there yelling "I'm a socialist", that it'll scare the donors. That much is true.
Lemmy forgets that you need donors and allies to win elections. I honestly think many people pushing the "both sides" narrative actively want us all to lose.
We don't need to be as beholden to donors as the general Democrats are. We have a lot of room for Democratic Socialist policies. But if we use our platforms to yell about how both sides are the same, well, first, they're absolutely fucking not, and second, that's going to get people to stay home and lose elections.
We need to pull the party to the left. Partly that'll help win elections. IF we don't sink the boat while we're doing it.
Zohran Mamdani won against Cuomo, despite Cuomo having the billionaire donors.
Also the Democrats running after billionaire donors orders had them loose to Trump not once but twice.
Uhh but Zohran got donors from the people. 20k people donated to his campaign fund. You don't need billionaires to fund your campaign.
Heck, look at Kickstarter. They still manage to get millions from the regular people.
"We can't elect people who do the things we want, otherwise we won't be able to elect people who do the things we want."
If he gets elected that proves the entire premise wrong.
He's popular with the voters. He's going to stomp New York, and then he'll start looking at the presidency. And he might win that, too. And then they'd have to pass bills, and their donors would be mad.
They'd rather run bad candidates and lose.
He's not eligible to run for president because he was born in Uganda.
Damn, I forgot the constitution was racist
Fortunately the constitution doesn't matter anymore. Run him anyway!
Honestly if you put the DNC in other countries they wouldn't be considered left.
Even the UK who's current "left" PM is actually extremely centre, but compare the DNC to him they would still be more right than him.
In any other country they'd be the conservative party.
Now do you believe people when they say they have a 2 party system with Republicans vs ~~Democrats~~ other republicans?
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Books are where it's at!
Edit: Why do you dislike books so much?
It's abundantly obvious the parties are different. I'm snarky because so many mental sloths exist. Be bothered to think and I'll be less snarky. Specific, non-hyperbolic factual criticisms are not what I take issue with.
If you say the parties are the same you're either revealing how grossly ignorant you are, or what a liar you are. No grey area there really.
Just look at how they voted in tabling to be able to vote on if Trump's articles of impeachment. Way too many democrats voted yes to not vote on it. It's as if most of them don't want to look at the fascism happening, and stick their heads in the sand. In my blue state only one voted to hear the articles of impeachment. Fuck.
Books are where it's at!
He said billionaires shouldn't exist. If billionaires didn't exist who would fund their campaigns running on platforms that allow billionaires to hoard wealth unimpeded?
Yeah but like... Fuck billionaires. A billion dollars is 50,000/yr for 20,000 years.
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