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[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

As predicted years ago.

Trump is Putin's ally, not NATO's.

This was forseen by some YEARS ago..

As I've said before, they're committed to destroying all the "woke" countries in a pincer between Putin & Trump,

& that's why Greenland is required, so the US can do to Canada what Russia's been doing to Ukraine, & once Canada's destroyed, then the hated-by-them-both EU can be destroyed.

It's a strategy, & it will succeed unless the TrueNATO countries SMARTEN UP SHARPLY, QUICKLY, which looks to not be going to happen..

Whatever.

There are other worlds in endless-stream-of-universes: our continuums/souls will just do it again, on another world, after obliterating this "Garden of Eden" world, right?

whatever.

Watching humankind "prevent" snuffing-of-humankind is like watching a junkie's life be obliterated by whatever junk they're addicted-to.

Inevitable, depressing, pointless..

Oh, sure, it's possible that the addict in question might somehow change & fight-for-their-life against their unconscious-mind's obliteration-addiction, but is it likely?

not.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

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[-] nthavoc@lemmy.today 28 points 3 days ago

Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.

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[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 24 points 3 days ago

From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

"Keep 'em guessing". You have to understand Trump is not a statesman. It's that simple. He views everything as a one-to-one personal power dynamic in the context of some silly real estate deal about which restaurant supplier to choose for the crispy tortilla shells.

I don't think he understands the ramifications beyond a contract he won't respect or some clever insult he can hurl.

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[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 112 points 4 days ago

Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

[-] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 4 days ago

they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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[-] oyzmo@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 43 points 3 days ago

That's fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

[-] Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 days ago

Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.

On the other hand... I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn't risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.

Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find "justifications" to raid through middle america and "bring idiocrazy" to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain't "a good godfearing white patriot"... Because... the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum.... Oh god, I've heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies...

Please, anyone stop them now!!!

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago

US: "NATO members need to up their defense spending!"

NATO: "Okay, we'll do it."

US: "Actually, We're leaving NATO." 🤡

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 19 points 3 days ago

So we dont buy US military kit. It's got kill switches and hard to keep running without their support. It's increasing looking like they aren't aligned with the free world.

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[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 288 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

Fuck you.

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[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago
[-] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 130 points 4 days ago

Just removing the US from another world stage

Soon we will be completely irrelevant

Which is the plan

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Gonna be as isolated at North Korea by the end of this administration. As trusted too.

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[-] Bwaz@lemmy.world 100 points 4 days ago

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

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[-] Bieren@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 14 points 3 days ago

Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account how strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.

And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.

But... USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:

  • a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
  • USA's allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China's imperialism. This would make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.

But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we'll need to change our mindset. Heh.

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[-] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He's been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.

This bill won't even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump's ear over it.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 days ago

Why do you believe Rutte pushed through the 5% military spending target? It is needed to replace the US in Europe and be a working deterrent to both Russia and the US.

It also is a bad move to leave NATO, as this makes the EU the logical center to coordinate the defense of democracies.

[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 80 points 4 days ago

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

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[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is cheering this on. The parties they are going to throw are going to be absolutely epic. You’ve heard the party of the decade, you’ve heard of the party of the century, get ready for the party of the millennium.

[-] TemplaerDude@lemm.ee 37 points 4 days ago

Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker

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[-] Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 36 points 4 days ago

I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

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[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Mike Lee is a notoriously despicable person even by GOP standards and the bill doesn't have any legs. Like, just a week ago he said terrible things about the Minnasotan politicians who were shot dead in their homes, and he's also the one who was pushing to sell off public lands (which he was bullied out of; also seems to be in the pocket of the Mormon cult).

The US stance on NATO is complicated under the current US regime but I doubt it'll be by this assholes bill.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Try the US stance on China, ever heard of "strategic ambiguity"?

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2023/march/strategic-ambiguity-taiwan-has-run-its-course

It basically means as long as the US interests align with getting cheap labor and items from China, it's the best, until it isn't.

What a beacon of the international rules-based-order. No wonder the world looks up to ~~American Values~~ strategic bombers...

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 92 points 4 days ago

What's next? Helping Russia in their wars? I hope it was fucking worth it to "own the libs."

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[-] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

USA showing again how they are traitors and cowards.

[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

wow, even after NATO members helped US.

[-] Bravo@eviltoast.org 18 points 3 days ago

Yep, the USA likes to complain about Europe being security freeloaders, but the only member to ever invoke Article 5 was the USA.

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[-] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

Gotta make daddy putin happy

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?

So far they've introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they're trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they'll have no power.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 69 points 4 days ago

If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

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[-] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 53 points 4 days ago

I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

Disturbing thought though.

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[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

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[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 4 days ago

He's just stirring shit to get his name out there isn't he?

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago
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