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If you're shocked by capital murdering puppies, wait until you find out about the animal torture/murder industry, enslaved labor, etc.
The puppies are just the tip of the meatberg.
The meat eaters are not going to be happy with this comment. :^)
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An American Humane Certified Safety Representative visited the Snow Buddies set on the first day of filming. Fifteen Golden Retriever puppies were on set and fifteen other were being treated by a local veterinarian, and their illnesses were eventually diagnosed as Giardia and Coccidia. On request from the representative the remaining puppies on set received additional veterinary checks. Twenty-five of the puppies were from an American breeder and five were from a Canadian breeder. It was discovered that the puppies were approximately 8 weeks old, which lead to the belief that the puppies were only 6 weeks old when they were brought by the trainer to the movie set. Per the USDA it was at the time illegal to transport puppies under the age of 8 weeks.
After the removal of all 30 puppies, 28 older Golden Retriever puppies were brought in to continue filming. All of the 28 older puppies were exposed to parvovirus. Five of the puppies died, and up to six others fell ill after exposure to the virus.
As a result, the film was not permitted to use the "No animals were harmed..." disclaimer and received an "Unacceptable" marking from the American Humane Association.
Well, I could have gone my whole life not knowing this. :(
Its really sad, but not unexpected. Shitbags gonna be shitbags....... stop buying or consuming disney shit
discovered that the lemming scene was actually filmed at the Bow River near Canmore, Alberta, and further that the same small group of lemmings was transported to the location, jostled on turntables, and repeatedly shoved off a cliff to imply mass suicide.
how big was the cliff? did they get hurt or die or was it even more faked?
the same small group of lemmings was transported to the location, jostled on turntables, and repeatedly shoved off a cliff to imply mass suicide
That Wikipedia quote implies it wasn't deadly, but checking the end line citations, their reference calls it a "mass animal killing made to look like natural suicide" and makes no mention of using the same group multiple times.
great game back in the day though btw. we need another version. maybe with a political bent
Fixed link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wilderness_(film)#Controversy
Boy, markdown + deep links is not a good combination.
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No, animals were harmed in the making of this film.
What's the conventional wisdom as to why this is so bad, but eating meat basically gets a pass? Like, meat offers sustenance, yes, but it's by no means required. So basically, humans eat meat because it tastes really good
it's great "culinary entertainment."
This is a different kind of entertainment, but it's deeply offensive to many folks. I'm not trying to be a dick about it, just curious why this is seen as such a sin.
Is it that these animals weren't "supposed" to be killed? Would a movie about a beef cow who ends up getting slaughtered, both onscreen and IRL, be seen as better? Worse?
The "conventional wisdom" is just the usual cognitive dissonance of carnists.
They want to cry about puppies but also enjoy meat based on even worse exploitation, torture, murder, etc.
I think because of
1.the chasm between the intended discourse of the film (feelgood movie with puppies going on adventures) and the alleged means to film it, feels particularly cynical and dishonest
2.the fact that dogs are companions -they have co-evolved next to humans for about 15 thousand years and hold a special place, contrary to animals typically consumed for their flesh
Thanks for the thoughtful response! 1) makes a lot of sense, and 2) makes a lot of "emotional sense" to me (as opposed to "intellectual sense," I guess).
yea, it's still not super reasonable to murder animals when we could, well, not do it. But I think dogs being companions mostly explains the difference in treatment. I used to be a vegan but the emotional load was too heavy to bear everyday. I chose to look away. I'm not proud, but I can't afford to be shameful. Do you eat animals ?
No, I've been a strict vegetarian for a long time, mostly vegan now but not strict about it. I did eat fish a few years ago because it was an invasive species (and also, delicious).
But also, I have no problem getting the food/nutrients I need from a plant based diet, which isn't always easy for other folks.
are you for real comparing this to eating meat?
Like we artificially breed cows into existence for meat and milk alone, dogs exists as companions, how could possibly be the same?.
Because the animals don't care what our intended purpose for them is.
Yes, that's the cognitive dissonance of carnism. "How could torturing one animal possibly be the same as torturing another? We have different categories for torturing!!!!" smh.
Broadly, people are not ok with animals being mistreated. An animal that is raised in safe, comfortable conditions and then killed painlessly is not mistreated by the standards of many people.
Abusing a puppy and kitten to make a film is absolutely mistreatment, hence the different reaction.
I'm not trying to be a dick about it
Doubt. "Just asking questions" is so often a deliberate dick move.
safe, comfortable conditions and then killed painlessly
Do you even think this is real
Knowing some farmers personally, yes, yes it is real
Do they know exactly what happens at the slaughterhouse or are they doing it themselves?
The farmers I know go through a handful of local butcher shops to handle everything from that point forwards. The butcher gets high quality meat to sell and the farmer doesn't have to deal with the parts of the process that aren't part of their skillset or that they otherwise don't want to handle. So while they aren't part of the killing and butchering process, they are confident in their trust of the individuals and small businesses they rely on for it
From what I've seen and learned, small businesses and small farms have the capability to handle the process of breeding and nurturing their stock for processing into the cuts of meat we buy at the store in a humane manner, but very large farms and very large meat processing operations every individual is simply too disconnected from the full process to ensure every step is as humane as it should be.
Ultimately this is why we need to greatly expand the USDA to ensure every step of the process of our food being brought to our plates is as humane and safe as possible. The USDA already has full time inspectors who work at meat processing plants full time to ensure everything is safe and by the book, with the power to pause operations at any moment if they see a problem, but this needs to be expanded. We need USDA and FDA inspections to be frequent and thorough at every food processing facility in the country. Farms that product stock for these facilities need to be regularly audited. The erosion of the FDA and USDA is part of why there's been so many salmonella outbreaks and food recalls in recent years
Well, here it is. Strict laws too. And stress, even shortly before slaughtering, makes the meat stringy anyway, and poor health gives a taste.
In france we also have strong laws for that. Doesnt stop our local associations from releasing footage of industrial-scale farms that are just horrible to endure.
Yes, other than for fish.
You're clueless. Even if it was possible, which it is not, it would be not be profitable enough.
Ok angry internet warrior.
Idk im not angry nor a warrior, just someone more informed than you.
I assume that "No animal were harmed" claim cannot be used in film where real meat are consumed?
I suppose if I had a cow living in my home with me that would be a problem. It's familiarity.
And puppies
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Parvovirus is a puppy owners worst nightmare. It's kind of puppy ebola but super contagious and high mortality rate.
Typically puppy owners never accept a puppy younger than 8 weeks without their first vaccination. And don't let them go out in places exposed to other unknown dogs until after the second vaccination at 16 weeks. So those early weeks should be spent with other vaccinated puppies to socialise them. And if you are going out, carry them or put them in a cart, or take them places you know no sick dogs have been within a year.
Yet another reason why raising puppies is so much harder than people think.
Yeah, parvo specifically attacks multiplying cells. It’s not super bad for fully grown dogs, which only multiply cells to maintain a baseline. But for puppies that are actively growing, it basically causes them to fall apart at the seams. Their bone marrow and intestinal lining basically turns to mush, since they’re almost entirely made of multiplying cells.
In a movie from 2008, so it wasn't that long ago. You'd think they would have known better by then. Another reminder to boycott Disney.
Werner Herzog boiled 11000 living rats in ink for Nosferatu.
Yeah when you hear dude babbling about the "cruelty of nature" or whatnot... He's just talking about himself.
Dutch behavioral biologist Maarten 't Hart, hired by Herzog for his expertise with laboratory rats, revealed that, after witnessing the inhumane way in which the rats were treated, he no longer wished to cooperate. Apart from traveling conditions that were so poor that the rats, imported from Hungary, had started to eat each other upon arrival in the Netherlands, Herzog insisted the plain white rats be dyed gray. To do so, according to 't Hart, the cages containing the rats needed to be submerged in boiling water for several seconds, causing another half of them to die. The surviving rats proceeded to lick themselves clean of the dye immediately, as 't Hart had predicted they would.
Holy shit.
Goddamn
I previously kinda liked Hertzog (he was amusing to listen to if nothing else), not any more.
How do you boil 11,000 rats alive and then go on and make 10 minute long thinkpieces about the profound sadness of the death of a single penguin that leaves its flock? What a fucking masturbatory asshat.
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Hoooooly shit I knew productions with animals were usually darker than they seem but Snow Buddies???? Snow Buddies was built on the back of mass puppy casualty???
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