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Mike German, an ex-FBI agent, said immigration agents hiding their identities ‘highlights the illegitimacy of actions’

Some wear balaclavas. Some wear neck gators, sunglasses and hats. Some wear masks and casual clothes.

Across the country, armed federal immigration officers have increasingly hidden their identities while carrying out immigration raids, arresting protesters and roughing up prominent Democratic critics.

It’s a trend that has sparked alarm among civil rights and law enforcement experts alike.

Mike German, a former FBI agent, said officers’ widespread use of masks was unprecedented in US law enforcement and a sign of a rapidly eroding democracy. “Masking symbolizes the drift of law enforcement away from democratic controls,” he said.

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[-] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 26 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I always wondered if there were people that watched the history of Nazi Germany and didn't feel immediate revulsion from it.

I mean I just grew up thinking that it was universally true that people thought that fascism and authoritarianism is bad in the US. Like Nazis are bad guys and SS guards were cruel and inhuman. All the usual things.

But there are actually people in the US that would have gleefully cheered on the rise of fascism in Germany and would have been right there to sign up to be SS guards and brown shirts, beating up Jews and gays and socialists and executing them in the streets.

Like, monsters really do live among us. I really didn't think that that kind of detestable subhumans existed in modern America.

The American Gestapo AKA ICE are objectively bad people. There's no other way to frame it. They are just bad people, evil, violent monsters who should be purged (jailed) from society.

I can't imagine growing up thinking "I want to be just like those and SS animals". Like where did their mothers and fathers go wrong? Total sociopaths.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago

Oh my sweet summer child. If you really believe this, then you haven't spent much time around conservatives. I was raised by them. Nazism was/is taken lightly, like a silly joke (that's why you saw so many people smiling and laughing at Elon's Nazi salute at the inauguration). Never seen as a serious threat—even today—as it starts to actually become one. The vast majority of conservatives are either in denial over the rise of Neo-Nazism, or are just straight-up Nazis themselves.

[-] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 3 points 19 hours ago

I'm not in the US but that's truly chilling to hear. When you're not surrounded by it, you don't realise how normalised something becomes in a different part of society.

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Remember, remember the 5th of November, the gun powder treason and plot. I see no reason the gun powder treason should ever be forgot.

[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

bunch of pussy. Too afraid to show their faces.

In fact, if I ask for identification and they dont provide, I'll call them: Mr. Pussy #1, Mr. Pussy #2.....etc.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Fascism isn't some nebulous concept on the horizon. Or maybe hiding around the next blind corner.

It is literally here. Now. Right now.

Wake up call. America has secret police (gestapo) now.

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[-] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 22 hours ago

It’d be ashamed if they were to get bear sprayed on their masks and had to remove them.

[-] HertzDentalBar 4 points 20 hours ago

Nah bro, aerosolized coyote piss. Get that up in their mask. Or just a super soaker full of it.

Don't ask me how you get the piss, just know it works.

[-] NoTagBacks@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago

A major reason police officers wear uniforms is for their obvious identification as a legal law enforcement entity formally trained and endorsed by the state. While it's generally symbolic, it is at least a basic-ass demonstration of good faith identification/adherence to the law. EVEN IF it's just performative, it's still at least saying their actions will be in accordance with the law, and at least implying that their intent is enforcement of that same law.

However, if they not only ditch the uniform, but even literally wear things to mask their identity, the symbolism of good-faith action and intent go out the window. Why would any reasonable person trust such a blatant disregard for clear establishment of authority figures? Furthermore, if such symbolism is reversed in such a manner, how could any reasonable person not assume ill-intent? If they're taking away even US citizens for an indeterminate amount of time and to an indeterminate place, then wouldn't it be in the best interest of the people that encounter law enforcement to resist by any means--even lethal means? And to further compound the problem, there were recent high-profile political murders by someone impersonating a police officer. So not only are we unable to trust legitimate police officers while they're in uniform, we now have(admittedly weak(for now)) evidence that the uniform no longer implies good-faith intent of the person wearing it. Which leads me to one final major issue; if our confidence in officers' law-bound behavior is shattered, and our confidence in our citizen status to ensure our rights is shattered, and our confidence in police uniforms being fairly reliable identification symbolism is shattered, then what amount of confidence is left in any law enforcement officials when they then wear clothing that is symbolically indicative of someone acting in bad faith with ill-intent? And then local law enforcement, in uniform, protect and assist alleged federal law enforcement in their very high-profile raids.

So, moral reasoning aside, it would be unwise to even engage with any law enforcement or anyone that claims to be law enforcement. They can't be trusted and their intent is unknown. They are visibly armed with a variety of weapons and are currently engaging in illegal operations systematically--even though the confines of current law effectively gives them legal means to do whatever they want. All that said, it can reasonably argued that it's effectively a death sentence if you get swept up by someone claiming to be law enforcement, regardless of whether or not they can be confidently identified as such. All that to say: some fed bois are gonna get smoked before the end of the year and they've earned it by undermining themselves in the public eye. I have extreme confidence that things will get better in the long run, but as for the foreseeable future, the worst is yet to come.

Tl;dr: Law enforcement abandoning clear uniform identification for bad-faith/ill-intent symbolism logically justifies lethal resistance. There will probably be multiple shootings of feds by the end of the year at this rate. If some alphabet feds get shot, could be claimed as a cases belli for some real bullshit.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

It's not a major reason it's the reason.

The first question they ask an officer in any situation with force is did you announce your presence and was it obvious you're police. It's the whole reason you aren't supposed to be pulled over by plain clothes, they're supposed to call a marked unit to effectuate a stop.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 day ago

This trend didn't started with ICE officers hiding their face but with the police patrols with "ghost marks". I remember from years ago seeing memes of those patrol cars compared with European ones, that are full of bright colors, the message of each one as "I'm here hidden to catch you vs I'm here calling your attention to help you*"

* Obligatory All Cops, even the hot Sweeden and Italian cops, Are Bastards.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Even shorter TL;DR: The lack of verifiable face-value LEOs breaks even the shitty social contract we did have, and it’s gonna create problems.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 day ago

I'd bet theres at least 80% overlap with people that somehow couldn't breathe in a disposable medical mask during covid

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[-] Gowron_Howard@lemmy.world 183 points 1 day ago

These are the same people who whined about having to wear a mask during Covid.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 102 points 1 day ago

I work in 911 dispatch

During COVID we had to ask all of our callers some extra questions if they were going to be in contact with any of our units

Something along the lines of "has anyone there had or been in contact with anyone who has had flu-like symptoms recently?"

And if they did we added a note to the call indicating that.

One night I got a call from one of our off-duty officers calling in an accident he witnessed.

I get all the usual information and start asking our COVID questions

And he gets really indignant about it "why are you asking me this?" "This is stupid." Etc.

Like dude, you're one of our officers. We've been advising you about potential COVID exposures on your own calls, where do you think we were getting that information? This shit is for your benefit, not ours, I can't catch COVID from someone over the phone (the disease vectors sitting the consoles adjacent to me could be another story)

And that's pretty typical of how cops act towards us, the people they rely on to give them information they need to do their jobs, send them backup when needed, etc. blows my mind that so many of my co-workers are absolute bootlickers.

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 day ago

This describes half of most departments. The good cops burn out from the idiocy from all sides and end up fire fighters, EMTs, bartenders and roofers. The dumb ones stay and try not to get fired until they can get that penchant.

[-] Arcka@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago

Thank you for the difficult public service you do.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

"I cAnT bReAtHe!!!"

Yes you can, asshole. It's a slight inconvience, but it's a far cry from not getting oxygen.

But oh, now that it's being used to conceil your identity, you're all fine???

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I'm a fat, on-and-off smoker. Once in a while I get it in my head I'm gonna exercise and I start running or something. It usually doesn't last very long, running sucks.

But the one time it almost stuck was when I decided to do it as sort of a new years resolution when we were getting hit by some crazy polar vortex weather with temperatures hovering just barely above 0°F (about -17°C)

It was great, no matter how hard I tried to run I couldn't work up a sweat.

That cold, dry air is kind of rough on your lungs though, so I tied a bandana around my face so I could breathe some warmer, moister air.

The bandana got soaked with condensation from my breath, and since it was so cold it pretty much froze solid the second I took it off at the end of my run. Then the condensation in my beard and mustache froze into icicles.

So the best runs of my life were done breathing through 2 layers of wet fabric. Anyone who claims that they can't breathe through a mask is either full of shit or probably needs to be on a ventilator.

[-] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 18 points 1 day ago

If you have to cover up your entire face like this it should be a huge hint that what you're doing is fucked up

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

It's illegal and they know it. This is a vain attempt to avoid punishment once Biff is not in power anymore.

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 120 points 1 day ago

Now serial killers and pedophiles can larp and kidnap children and adults too.

All Thanks to ICE!

DONAKD J TRUMP

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[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago

Land of the Brave

Puts on mask to hide identity

[-] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 3 points 23 hours ago

Reminds me of Squid Game

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Lemmy.world fully endorses the.police state and looks forward to more death, deportations, and white supremacist policy.

[-] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 4 points 23 hours ago

Then what are you doing on that instance then?

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

It was the easiest one when I signed up and I did t know what they were then. I dont know how to leave it.

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago

You create an account in another and import your account info, keeps a lot of stuff

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

What is a good one that rebukes shitlibberie but doesnt fellate Stalin?

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago

The one I’m on is anarchist , and is rather chill. There are actually many small servers that are left, but not authoritarian.

If you like larger, I think the reputations of ml and hexbear here on world are not realistic. More of a scary bedtime story libs tell their kids. But there are a few users there who drift into what you might not like.

[-] BootyBuccaneer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago

the reputations of ml and hexbear here on world are not realistic. More of a scary bedtime story libs tell their kids.

What, because it hasn't happened to you? Good for you. Lol

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago

I’m not a bellicose type, or a lib, and I’m not an imperialist, so I’m a decent fit with most communities there.

It’s far easier for me to ignore most oddball stuff in those two than things that drive me crazy here.

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[-] TheBeege@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

"Let me complain about how incredibly evil something is and then do nothing about it" is what I'm getting out of this. If the rest of us could figure it out, why couldn't you?

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[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Any person hiding their identity while carrying a weapon should be shot and killed on sight. I am with the GOP on this point.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Let them wear masks. It's an important piece of safety equipment in some scenarios. Lets mandate that undercover/plain clothes officers cannot enforce the law beyond what a civilian could do. They should not be allowed to arrest you, or point a gun at you, or demand that you ID yourself. Only officers in uniform should be allowed to do those things, and they should be required to identify themselves, the department they work for, and display a badge with number to be considered "in uniform".

[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

But we're FREE from the tyranny of forced education and health care, puh-raise JEE-zuz-ah!

[-] msprout@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What fucking sucks is that they are criminalizing wearing KN-95s to protests in state laws because apparently they're so dangerous while simultaneously saying that these guys need masks to protect themselves.

Why the fuck do the cromagnons in office think I'm still wearing a KN-95? So I can cosplay Blade Runner at work? Because I am a duck furry and this is a subtle way of fursuiting? For the high fashion? Because I am taunting non-mask-wearers? NO, IT IS TO PROTECT MYSELF.

aaaaaaAAAAAAA

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[-] D_C@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago

I see 2 options here:
Getting kidnapped and imprisoned now (whether that's by 'real' police or fake)
Or.
Shooting the mask wearing weirdos now and maybe potentially possibly getting imprisoned later.

Out of these two choices I know which I'd take.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yup.

I'll shoot a masked individual trying to abduct me in the face, then deal with the repercussions after I potentially saved myself from being human trafficked or having my organs harvested.

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