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[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 100 points 3 weeks ago

I'm afraid it's too late though.

It's possible - arguably even likely - that the Dem establishment still won't get the message and will instead continue to try to con us into supporting corrupt neolib hacks and will continue to undermine actual leftists.

In fact, I sort of half expect the New York party to abandon Mamdani and instead back a write-in campaign for Cuomo.

I wish I was kidding.

Even if they show never-before-seen integrity and determination and actualy shift back toward supporting actual leftists (or get replaced by a new generation of leaders who will), I still think it's likely going to be too late. The longer Trump and his ilk remain in office, the more likely it becomes that opposing them will just get you on the next flight to some overseas concentration camp, or dead, or both.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 weeks ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the establishment decides open corruption is pretty cool actually and starts trying to rehabilitate Adams' image. Seems like trying to run both Adams and Cuomo is a fools errand and Adams is stubborn enough to stay in regardless so they'll have to go with him.

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

100%. The DNC are not our friends and havent been for a while now.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

The Democrats are going to try to ratfuck him, sure. They're never going to get the message

But this is how we clean them out. This is why AOC and Bernie are doing rallies - so that every seat that comes up is filled with a progressive. And this is a big seat

As for it being too late... Yeah, we're fucked. But we can still make things better. There's no reason to yield ground, maga is incredibly incompetent - they can be beat.

And there will be an after

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 3 weeks ago

It is too late for electoral politics to save democracy, if that's what you're talking about. People like Mamdani are important for the day after, but Trump will have to be deposed much like his ilk in Ukraine and Tunisia.

[-] arrow74@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm always very intrigued by those pushing the rhetoric that it's too late to use elections to solve this, and admonish anyone that tries.

But at the same time they themselves refuse to start a revolution they insist is the only way. While simultaneously waiting for someone else to do it for them.

In the end the suggestion seems to be to not do anything and hope someone else does it for you. Be that by democratic means or armed means.

If you're not starting the rebellion you sure as hell need to be engaged with the existing democratic proccess. Otherwise you're just not doing anything at all. Which is the worst option

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago

So first: You do realize there will likely be no free and fair elections until Trump is overthrown right? It's too late to solve this using elections because there will be no elections. You're in the equivalent of 1933 Germany after the Enabling Act, where the Act is substituted by the Republican majority in Congress and the lack of consequences for Trump doing whatever he wants.

Second and more relevantly, though: Revolutions aren't just "started;" they happen when political unrest reaches a boiling point and is given some kind of trigger. You see the protests in LA? That's building towards the revolution. A revolution can then turn violent due to violent backlash from the state, but either way it is literally impossible to "start" a revolution in the way you're talking about. I mean hell, the fall of the Bastille wasn't exactly planned; it just kind of happened. If a revolution does happen I'd put the start at the current LA protests, but I digress. The point is: To get a revolution, you don't necessarily need to grab a gun and shoot cops, but you do need to resist on the streets. Again LA is a good example of what I'm talking about, so what I'm calling for is, for starters, more of that in more parts of America. Organize among your community and in your workplace and please someone go on strike already.

PS: I'm not American, so internet forums are about as much as I can get in on the action.

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[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe in our current state, where corruption can occur, but in a new, more democratic system where corruption can't occur because no single person will have enough wealth or the financial incentive to be able to buy politicians.

The problem isn't electoral politics, but that we don't live in a democracy.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

I was talking more about the whole fascist takeover thing. The current batch of oligarchs and dictators has to go before you can fix anything anywhere, and by the next election cycle American democracy will be dead. The timeline simply doesn't allow for an electoral solution.

[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, I thought you were talking about the concept of electoral politics in general and not this specific moment in the US.

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[-] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

Ehhh zorhan primary win is more like first big hurtle. Now ZOHRAN has to deal with belligerent part of democratic party and independent runs

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 23 points 3 weeks ago

He already has, up to this point. In fact, big parts of the party tried to support his competition. They failed. He's another in AOC mould. He may be good or great but there is an increasing trickle of progressive candidates.

The more that win by being good the more that can win without being so good. He may not be the Dems saviour but he's a step in the right direction and a worrying sign for Republicans and establishment politicians.

[-] oh_@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Indeed, they dusted off big Bill Clinton even.

[-] arrow74@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

When I hear that Clinton endorsed a canidate my first thought was, who cares. That guy hasn't been in office for over 25 years now. Talk about irrelevant

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Its the Dem tradition of hierarchy, nepotism, and dynasty-slurping

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[-] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah I'm just saying there's a lot more to go even in this race alone. Just because ZOHRAN WON the primary that doesn't mean the Democrats leadership will be happy about it

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 weeks ago

I’m no political scientist, but I’d think he needs to win the general before this can be said.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 28 points 3 weeks ago

Beating well-established Democratic royalty on their home turf by a Muslim is a pretty solid punch in the face.

He even had Clinton's endorsement. This was a very clear Fuck You to the Democratic party.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Was there actually an endorsement? All I'm finding is that Bill Clinton congratulated him on the primary victory.

[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed but this is a good start.

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

For sure, but we’ve seen hope like this go down the drain before. The circumstances here were favorable I think. RCV primary against an unlikable and disgraced opponent in NYC is hardly a death knell for the national corpo Dems

[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed as well, and I don’t wanna jump for joy yet but we gotta take our victories as they come. Hopefully this is a snowball that causes an avalanche of change.

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[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

It's indicative of a deep, irreversible rift in the party. Either democrats adapt or they split in half.

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck I hope so...

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 weeks ago

I wish. It's a clear message from the constituency, but no one ever blamed the DNC for listening ti their voters too much.

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Either they listen to their voters and become a 'new' democratic party, or they'll continue bleeding numbers and die. Either way, it's still the beginning of the end.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Is it though? Or is it wishful thinking?

[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 weeks ago

This is NOT true! The ONLY Reason he Won was because we DIDNT have Elon Musk Backing us or make our Platform CLEAR enough! Next time we'll spend BILLIONS of Dollars LETTING people know we WONT do ANYTHING to Improve Their Lives! THAT will bring them RUSHING back to Us!

-Chuck Schumer and The DNC!

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

And may it pisses off the MAGA crowd like nothing else.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

No. AOC was.

[-] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

time to tell everyone NY democrats to "Vote blue no matter who"

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

From your lips to the ears of Elpis.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Lets see if you get a President Mamdani in a decade or two. It would be a change for the better.

[-] logi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

He can't run for president since he wasn't born American.

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[-] CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Every time something hopeful like this appears I start wondering if it's safe to imagine that maybe things could get better here in the US. But so far I've been disappointed over and over. Part of me wants to just skip over the "maybe something good will happen" part and get right to the "oh, well, looks like he was assassinated by a blackwater hit squad" part. Money is power. The donor class gets what they want. And I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 9 points 3 weeks ago

I fervently hope so.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

Be honest. Had you guys heard of In These Times or The Institute for Public Affairs before seeing this post?

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Uh, yeah? Inthesetimes is posted all the time. Had you not?

I'm not sure why you're linking to that non-profit. Are they the owners? It's there any reason you'd expect people to recognize them?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

The latter no, but the former yes. I've seen their articles floating around here.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sure the problem caused by a two-party system can be fixed by adhering to a two-party system

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

The two party system is a symptom of the actual cause.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

RCV undermines the necessity for a partisan vote. That's why Cuomo - the party establishment pick - lost by 8 points to a local outsider with better politics and a cleaner reputation.

But I agree, at some point, you do need to support someone. And if that someone is part of a large political organization (aka a party) they can bring a lot of financial and labor resources to bare when organizing and implementing political reforms. In the case of New York City, which is functionally a one party municipality (Dems regularly swamp the GOP 2:1), Zohran's entrance to the statewide political scene is a huge break from the traditional partisan politics that gave us Eric Adams and threatened to give us four more years of a corrupt, real estate entwined sex pest.

The fact that he's got a large, active, well-financed DSA behind him - in a way that transformed a coronation into a competitive primary - is a huge point in his favor.

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

I can only hope ...

[-] adubya@feddit.online 3 points 3 weeks ago

We've been waiting for your participation and votes in the Democratic Party. Its great to see people start taking part no matter what brings them on board. If you are excited about this consider joining your local Democratic party, every few years we re-elect everyone from the precinct all the way to the DNC. Check with your State Democratic party for more info.

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