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[-] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago

How feasible is rebasing bazzite onto a different distro?

[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

They fact they based it on Fedora in the first place seemed like a stupid choice, but I've been biased against Fedora for a long time lol.

IMO they should have based it off Arch or Ubuntu to align with the Steamdeck or SteamOS

[-] orize@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

I've been biased against Fedora for a long time

Could you explain why?

[-] chaitae3@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago

We shouldn't be talking about stuff like this here. It spooks the noobs.

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 day ago

For those that think the response is overblown, from the thread:

These images are intended to be a drop-in replacement for Steam Deck OS for handheld console-like gaming PCs like the Steam Deck (Lenovo Legion Go, ASUS ROG Ally, MSI Claw, and other hardware in the same space).

These are also to be used to create gaming theater PCs, for streamlined use on a living room television.

The issue with “just using Flatpak or a container” is that the gamescope compositor simply does not work in those situations, when paired with Steam’s Gaming Mode, as it has the same concerns as a desktop environment. There would simply be no way to serve Gaming Mode as an environment.

As such, moving to this would essentially force Bazzite, as a project, to abandon its primary reason for existing - alienating 2/3s of their userbase. The remaining 1/3s would be served a lesser experience for a variety of more paper cut reasons, and VR is already a complex topic which would get even worse.

It's a big deal because disallowing the native steam build would make it nearly impossible to run bazzite in a SteamOS-like experience (which accounts for 2/3s of bazzite's users)

[-] GreyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Could Valve make Gamescope work with Flattpak ?

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

God fucking damnit, I finally find a Linux OS that gels with me and I find this shit....

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

If this happens, give Fedora itself a try. The only issue I've had with it is that my video card drivers didnt work right out of the gate and took a little bit of playing to get perfect.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Been with fedora for years, but fedora is the problem, so that would be pretty pointless.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Fedora is literally the source of this problem. Bazzite is based on Fedora.

[-] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 24 points 1 day ago

Hear me out... But should we be asking why there are so many things, steam included, that are still on 32b libraries?

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Because there’s no incentive for valve to spend time on that i guess

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

I mean the answer is pretty easy: video games generally have a long shelf life and no maintenance at some point after they’re released.

[-] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 day ago

That explains the games, but not the steam binary right? If the steam binary didn't break, and 32b games did, that'd be a lot less of an issue.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Your compatibility layers can be 64b, however, and support those 32b games that don't even run natively on that hardware anyway.

[-] gamer@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

Throwing a tantrum isn't how to get what you want. This is a common behavior in the OSS world from wannabe BDFLs. Linus Torvalds or Guido van Rossum earned that title through merit, not through the simple luck of your side project going viral.

Bazzite is just Fedora Atomic with some extra preinstalled software. If it dies, it'll hurt the community of Linux gamers who picked it for whatever reason, but it won't make Fedora maintain 32 bit packages forever.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

I'm not sure exactly what you expect of him?

It's not a tantrum, just a statement of limitation. The primary reason for Bazzite to exist is to have a SteamOS-like Fedora. He mentions, in depth, how the 'simple' answer about using flatpak doesn't work, because flatpak imposes isolation in ways that are incompatible with the use case.

His options seem to be to be "polite" and quiet right up until the change gets approved and implemented and only then yank the rug out from his community, or make the broader community know the implications of removed 32-bit userspace support.

This seems to be the whole point of soliciting feedback, to know what you are likely to break. It would be supremely odd if you make a proposal, solicit feedback, and call any mention of a bad consequence a 'tantrum' when that was the whole point of framing it as a proposal.

Seems like he needs either Steam to go 64-bit or for Fedora to keep 32-bit since flatpak can't help and, presumably, he doesn't want to try to take on the maintenance burden of trying to carry forward Fedora's 32-bit rpms for the same reason Fedora is trying to get out of carrying them forward. Assuming the broad community decides Fedora 32-bit userspace is still needed, then it's far less incremental work for Fedora to maintain along 64-bit than it is to independently add it back.

[-] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

Nobody's throwing a tantrum. They're just saying they can't reasonably serve their purpose if they lose 32-bit support. A project so heavily based on other projects is subject to upstream whims, and they probably don't have the manpower to do anything about it.

[-] Bieren@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

See. This is why I game only on Windows. There’s never any controversy or issues there. /s

I’ll see myself out now.

[-] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago

I was this 🤏 close to a reflexive downvote

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

dang. That was supposed to be my go to OS once I got my data backed up.
any chance someone could recommend another distro for me?

it would be on my Laptop. Fairly new, Intel IRIS cpu, no dedicated GPU (can get specs if needed).
I'm going into UNI for comp sci next year
I want KDE as a requirement.
I would prefer it to be arch based so my knowledge can be transferred to messing with my steam deck, but not a requirement.

I also tinkered my previous distros to death by messing with terminal commands I didn't know (it's how you learn!). I would prefer something to back it up if I accidentally delete a million packages like last time but I don't know if that would be something dependent on the OS or just a program.

I don't really understand what immutable is, but I think my SteamDeck is immutable so I think I want it 🤷‍♀️

any recommendations/tips would be appreciated 🩷

[-] ntd_quiet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

I've appreciated endeavourOS's installer and defaults. It's Arch-based and has an option to install KDE/Plasma as the default desktop environment. I only back up my home directory, but I'm sure there's systemwide options, like btrfs snapshots (although that's a whole thing you'd need to test/verify). It's not an immutable distro. And, being Arch-based, it gets frequent updates. I've had a handful of issues from a package being too cutting-edge, but often it gets resolved within a few days at most with an update. Never had something totally break my system that I didn't cause myself (mostly symlink traversal). Just read up on pacman's flags (particularly -R flags, like -dd, -s, -n).

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Bazzite is still currently a great distro.

If Fedora drops support for 32bit packages, Steam, Proton, and more will no longer work, and all Fedora derivatives become useless for gaming.

Other than Bazzite, openSUSE Tumbleweed and Kubuntu Minimal are both great choices.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Garuda is built on the zen kernel and ships with KDE, I have been using it for a year now and it meets all my needs.

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[-] TTimo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

I really feel for the Bazzite developer over the possible Fedora decision. That just plain sucks. Fedora was never a big gaming distro though. Hindisght is 20/20 and all that, but why pick that one as base in the first place?

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Bazzite is based on Universal Blue, which is based on Fedora Silverblue, which is the first immutable, atomic Linux distro. The immutable nature of Bazzite is the point of it’s existence.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

When Redhat went Fedora, I learned Debian and Ubuntu. When they decided to flush CentOS, I GTFO even professionally and stayed out of their ancestral distros.

Don't get me wrong, I'm down with change and updating, but they are very focused on making things better/easier for themselves without worries about who they're supposed to be supporting.

[-] mimic_dev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I think I can hear Bringus sobbing somewhere

[-] OmegaSunkey@ani.social 7 points 1 day ago

the return of HoloISO never booting up

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I should've figured people on Lemmy would love his content lol

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 158 points 2 days ago

As reiterated by the OP, the proposal is just a proposal and was proposed with heaps of lead time probably because they expected it to be controversial.

As also mentioned, heaps of volunteer time is spent maintaining the packages where most are barely used (even for gaming).

However, it does not seem like there is a viable alternative. Many comments say the suggested alternative, WINE's WoW64, does not work for all games.

I can see both sides here. Fedora maintainers says "this is so much work!" and (mostly) gamers saying "But older games will stop working!".

The response from the Bazzite guy does seem overblown to me. I would think the first step is to work out the impact, as I haven't seen anyone quantify what proportion of games are affected and if there are alternatives like emulation.

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[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 24 points 2 days ago

Instead of shutting down why not choose another distro base

[-] gamer@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

The only notable thing about Bazzite is that it's built on top of Fedora Atomic, making it immutable like SteamOS.

Without that, it's just a regular old distro with some opinions about which software should be preinstalled.

[-] MangoPenguin 22 points 2 days ago

Probably a lot of time and work to do so, they've spent a lot of time learning what tweaks Fedora needs.

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[-] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

After Bazzite I went to Garuda, is also gaming focused and has a handy helper app that helps you install common software, run updates, and more.

If you need a new distro it's worth a look.

[-] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago

I went to Garuda

THERE'S DOZENS OF US, DOZENS!!

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[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago

Dammit - found Bazzite one week ago and love it - now its embroiled in a controversy.

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