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[-] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 183 points 1 year ago

Ashton Kutcher wants to prevent and stop human trafficking so much so he mostly retired from acting to make a bigger impact against it. Yet he is okay with a rapist cause it's his "friend". Talk about a fuckin hypocrite. More proof that the famous and wealthy live by a different standard. No matter how good they seem.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 134 points 1 year ago

More proof that the famous and wealthy live by a different standard. No matter how good they seem.

You don't need to be famous or wealthy to overlook or cover up the crimes of someone you know. It happens every day among people of every socioeconomic status, between friends and within families and businesses. In this case he isn't even trying to cover for him, just wrote a letter supporting him at his trial based on what he knows of the guy. I don't think it was in good taste, but also don't think it's worth shunning Ashton Kutcher over

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I dunno. Seems like an incredibly fucked up thing to do when it comes to the severity of the crimes. At some point, you turn your back on someone and don’t support them because what they did is beyond the pale. It’s all about context. Being a rapist doesn’t have any context in which I could support you.

Stealing from a store? I got your back. You killed the person that murdered your family? I’ll help you bury the body. You raped women? Get fucked, dickhead. You’re not who I thought you were and you don’t deserve me by your side.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Thank you I know someone who raped some women. We shuned that fucking rapist and turn on back on him.

What he did writing a letter in support of his friend takes away all the good he was doing. Fuck Ashton. He should've have turn his back and stay quite.

[-] exploding_whale@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

It is incredibly fucked, iits just not a celebrity/wealthy thing. It's a human failing.

[-] Sylver@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

This is my take. Ashton takes his job very seriously, but if he wanted to remain neutral on this he should have just shut the fuck up and accepted the court rulings like the rest of us.

[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Im confused. OP wrote the letter was written during his trial, and you said he should have accepted the ruling.

Was this letter written before or after the ruling?

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 21 points 1 year ago

I mean, if a friend was credibly accused of the stuff he did, I wouldn't be writing any letters of support. There's a limit to what you'd do for someone in the name of friendship.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

mm hmmm, that's a former friend right there. i don't put up with abusive or toxic behavior.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

If I found out my best friend was a rapist I would drop him before the ink on his arrest warrant dried

[-] hypnotoad__@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Any friend that rapes is no friend of mine, IDGAF how long I've known you or what we've been through

I could say the same about Nazis, pedereasses, etc - some things are way bigger than friendship

[-] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Didn't Kutcher kick Masterson off his show, "The Ranch", when he found out about the allegations?

I don't know what's going though any of their minds and I don't know much about the case, but writing letters for your former friend that's a piece of shit is common. 30 years is a very long time. Longer than Cosby got. So it couldn't be good. But I wonder what the details are before I immediately jump to "most of the cast are assholes by association". Also, did no one know about this during the show? Mila even had to stage kiss and hug the guy when their characters were dating.

[-] lazyvar@programming.dev 114 points 1 year ago

I get asking for mercy for family or a close friend, even when they’ve committed crimes, heinous or otherwise. I’ll chalk that up to human emotions.

But ffs, read the room a bit.

His dedication to leading a drug-free life and the genuine care he extends to others make him an outstanding role model and friend.

One of the most remarkable aspects of Danny’s character is his unwavering commitment to discouraging the use of drugs.

His dedication to avoiding all substances has inspired not only me but also countless others in our circle. Danny’s steadfastness in promoting a drug-free lifestyle has been a guiding light in my journey through the entertainment world and has helped me prioritize my well-being and focus on make responsible choices.

Saying stuff like that when he’s convicted of drugging victims before taping them is just nuts. Even by some sense of stupidity you think you’re just trying to highlight that he’s not a habitual drug user, you’re essentially just highlighting how calculated his actions were by drugging his victims.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago

Also, in what manner would personal drug use have anything to do with him being a rapist? Their attempted defense is irrelevant.

[-] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I commented elsewhere that I wondered if they believe he’s innocent. If they truly believe this is a miscarriage of justice could these letters be written with his appeal in mind? There’s no physical evidence as I understand, maybe they’re going for the “this guy is so sober he wouldn’t even know how to get drugs” angle? I’m just talking out of my arse now but I’m so confused by the level of support for him I can’t help but clutch at straws to try to explain it.

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it was drug charges sure, but it's not. Drug use is irrelevant.

He raped multiple women.

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

He drugged the women so it's relevant in that sense. Implying that he wouldn't know how to obtain the substances needed to do that is an argument for his innocence.

It's a pathetic argument to make, but it's not illogical.

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 36 points 1 year ago

Yeah, he would've been a better person if he did more drugs and less raping.

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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

So ... what they're saying is that he was stone cold sober when he was drugging his victims? That's not a great look.

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[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

People who preach often about not doing the minor vices, are usually engaged in some heinous shit; the preaching bit is a cover both lying to others and most importantly themselves

[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure the drug free commitment is from his Scientologist handlers.

Masterson was born to rich socialites and insulated from consequences his whole life. Fuck that shithead.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

so let me get this straight, danny would get drugs and instead of using it himself, he used it on unsuspecting victims and then taped himself raping them. and this has been a "a guiding light in (ashtons) journey"... "of making responsible choices"...? what.the.fuck?!

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[-] matchphoenix@feddit.uk 50 points 1 year ago

Both Kutcher and Kunis wrote about Masterson’s drug-free lifestyle, and noted he was a positive force on their lives. During the trial, prosecutors said Masterson drugged women before sexually assaulting them.

Such a long and glowing article for a man who drugged women to rape them. Including the positive quotes from his friends made sense, but a bit more perspective was needed than the few sentences discussing his crimes.

[-] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I wondered if it was a “presented without comment” kinda thing? Shade on everyone without explicit condemnation? Maybe the writer was told to write a sympathetic piece and just couldn’t bring themselves to? The more I type the more wishful I realise this thinking is… 😕

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[-] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Imagine giving a fuck about celebrities or their affairs.

Hope all the victims get every last cent of their recovery processes paid for on top of the prison sentencings

I don’t personally believe in long prison sentences because I know the American judicial system isn’t at all about rehab but I’m also a cis dude who generally doesn’t have to worry about getting raped so I’m not gonna make that call for people who gotta worry about that

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

When did they write the letters? Was it before any of the details of the case had been made public or after? Were they personally written or did PR firms send them out as a matter of course? I don't really give a shit about celebrities or their personal lives and I'm all for a good old fashioned internet pile on, but for some reason I'd like to know the details first.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

After he was found guilty, before he was sentenced

Masterson had been facing 30 years to life, which is the maximum sentence allowed by law. His defense was asking for 15 years to life, so those who wrote letters to the judge were likely aware he would be getting at least 15 years in prison.

Idunno. If my best friend was facing between 15 and 30 years in prison for multiple rapes, I don't think I would be begging the judge to reduce his sentence because he's such a good guy aside from the raping

Also he's a scientologist, so fuck him

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

But, y’know, Will Smith slapping Chris Rock was just beyond the pale for Kunis. Gotcha.

[-] query@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Definitely the wrong thing to do, but also something that could be dealt with with a financial penalty and a sincere apology. When Masterson isn't even admitting to his crimes, celebrities advocating for him is akin to what Will Smith did, using a position of privilege against the victims.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

That's not the point. The point is Kunis said that was unconscionable in that case, and in this one, she's defending a serial rapist.

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[-] thisnameisnottolong@aussie.zone 32 points 1 year ago

This is why letters of character should not be considered in a court of law.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Idunno, it shows me that Kutcher and Kunis are awful people. I'd rather know that so I can avoid giving them money in the future

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[-] 3rihskerb@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

The article states 50 others wrote in support of this rapist. They should all be ashamed of themselves.

“Other stars from “The 70’s Show” who wrote to the judge include Debra Jo Rupp, who played Kitty on the sitcom, and Kurtwood Smith, who played Red. Masterson’s famous family members wrote letters in his support, including his siblings Alanna Masterson (“The Walking Dead”), Christopher Masterson (“Malcolm In the Middle”), Jordan Masterson (“Last Man Standing”), as well as his brother-in-law Billy Baldwin and his wife, the actor and model, Bijou Phillips. Other Hollywood names who wrote to the judge include actor Giovanni Ribisi; Jim Patterson, creator of Netflix’s “The Ranch;” Masterson’s former publicist, Jenni Weinman; and TV director, David Trainer, who worked on “The 70’s Show” and “The Ranch.””

[-] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Whelp, whole list of people who can get fucked and whose work I will not be patronizing.

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[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll sum up my feelings about this in four words.

Who gives a shit?

Here are four more:

Celebrity 👏 gossip 👏 isn't 👏 news 👏.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

i lost any kind of respect i had for mila and ashton.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

They still care for him. He’s going to jail for his crimes, does his family have to reject him too?

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Hey you know how you have that one friend who drugged and raped women? No? Me neither.

I can't think of any person in my life that I wouldn't cut off if I learned they were a rapist.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, you just don't stay friends with someone if you found that out about them. People that say you should have your friends backs no matter what are just insane.

[-] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

No, but I have to say I’m surprised by the non-family members writing letters of character after he had been convicted of forcible rape. It’s one thing if it’s family I guess, or if the accused had been in the throes of addiction or similar at the time and had changed. But these are people who were working with him at the time he committed these crimes and they’re all testifying about him being such a good example of sobre living and a positive influence. Do they not feel betrayed by him? Do they not believe he did it? It’s strange.

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[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, at least I would and did in the same situation, except they were actual family. They're both POS rape apologists.

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[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

What does Scientology have on these two? Yuck.

[-] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Are they Scientologists too? I didn’t know that. It could explain why they’re publicly supporting him I guess.

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[-] gullible@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

RIP Trent the teetotaler. He may have touched those kids, parents, grandparents, pets, and all of their toothbrushes, but he never touched a bottle. He will be missed.

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