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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Eh, it honestly depends on what the climate protestors are doing. If they're chaining themselves to people's cars, painting aeroplanes with toxic paint (so the company has to use toxic chemicals to remove it), or glue themselves to the autobahn, then they're honestly just making a mockery out of climate activism.

Moira who can't get to work because some cunt chained themselves to her wheel isn't going to become an ally when she gets scolded by her shitty boss for being late due to something she can't control. She needs to pay her landlords mortgage and put food on the table for her kids. Her old car might not be the most environmentally friendly but it might be the only option she has.

Picket parliament. Organise big costly strikes. Build gillotines and kidnap the CEOs and investors of big oil. Or you know, do something productive, like show the impact a small pond and some wildflowers can make in a green desert, or maybe work to restore wetlands.

Most people do care, but don't have the time or capacity to do shit about it. If you have the time and energy to fuck over Duncan on his way to his shitty second job so he can pay for his mortgage and his student loans, you have time to fuck over the people that have the power to help you actually make a change.

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

The street gluers must be paid crisis actors (just like the GOP projects) to make climate activism seem like a bunch of crazy people.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

This low-key what I believe honestly.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2022/10/21/getty-oil-heiress-funds-climate-crisis-activism-just-stop-oil

The granddaughter of the oil tycoon J. Paul Getty has donated millions to support activist groups like Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil

I mean she claims to be taking action against climate change, but I don't know, smells fishy

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I've spent enough time around wannabe revolutionaries to think most of those people are honest and really believe impeding some poor people from going to work will help make the masses adopt their cause.

It does help their belief system that they and most of the people around them were convinced by some asshole doing something similar.

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

They're are always some true believers. Flat Earth used to be trolls until the OGs got bored and moved on leaving only the believers behind.

The best astroturf is the one that starts growing on its own.

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[-] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry, how are they getting their hands on toxic paint? Are are they making it themselves? If it's the later then they have really just undone the entire of their "point".

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[-] Tigbitties@kbin.social 54 points 1 year ago

I love civil disobedience. Go break shit.

[-] marco@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

The "necessity defense" stuff: I tried all the other avenues and nothing happened, I had to turn off this oil pipeline.

[-] Rooty@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Greenies:Stop oil now!

Also greenies: *obstructs nuclear power for 60+ years. *

Please stop pretending we can run society on wind and solar.

[-] vrojak@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

But we can

[-] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

No, you literally can't. Energy demands are only going to increase. The energy output for the land required, for a nuclear plant, is far better overall compared to the area required for wind and solar to match it.

[-] vrojak@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

The area required for enough wind and solar is still small enough to not be an issue. That nuclear needs less space per amount of energy produced does not matter

[-] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Any space saved is space for untouched environment, which is more beneficial to the planet. You're using Chinese logic, which lead to mountains blanketed with solar panels. There will be consequences for such decisions down the road.

[-] vrojak@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

The space saved is so miniscule compared to theobvious benefits (way cheaper, quicker and easier construction than nuclear, no problem with long term storage of waste products) that it is an absolute no brainer. Also, it's not like windparks are on fields of asphalt.

[-] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Absolutely not. 100+ acres vs 3,000+ acres is anything but miniscule. I suggest you do a little research on the discussion you're attempting to take part in.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

See, you're talking like 3000+ acres is a lot on the global scale, and it just isn't. You could literally cover a few fields that grow better in indirect light, produce more from your crops, and supply the global requirements for electricity. Seriously, just 5 square miles is over 3000 acres.

The only good argument against solar or wind is matching load against production, and that one is becoming less relevant all the time.

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[-] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Nuclear power is good and all, but there's only so much Uranium on this planet to satisfy the energy demand of ~8000000000 people...

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

https://whatisnuclear.com/nuclear-sustainability.html

this says 4 billion years, roughly

[-] don@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Thorium-based nuclear power is in the rise.

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

You should look up how much energy we can generate with nuclear. There’s more than enough.

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[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

You can. With nuclear as the baseline. Infinitely (not literally) more clean than fossil fuels and way, WAY more safe even including Chornobyl in the stats.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

We can run society on wind and solar, and it's looking more and more of a certainty that the price of the alternatives will bankrupt all of them.

[-] Titan@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago

"It's people doing things and caring that annoys me"

[-] snowbell@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Except they aren't actually doing anything. They should go shut down a factory or something.

[-] BNE 9 points 1 year ago

Diversity of tactics. There's no point in pissing on other people's praxis when you have the capacity and space to organise your own.

Want harder action? Find a pipeline. Blockade a port.

Want to educate people about actions and how to get involved? Organise a street march and equip people with rhetoric to help turn the tide against fossil fuel astroturfing.

Just do something.

They are - which means they're ahead.

[-] Titan@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

Have you been living under a rock?? They've been doing that for ages and keep getting arrested

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[-] explodicle@local106.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's what they've been trying for years, and we don't hear much about it because they're quietly arrested.

[-] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Yeah but I can't direct my hate at an individual as easy when it's hot outside

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[-] Jerb322@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Protest at the big corporations, cool, I might show up.

Protest in the middle of the fucking road, and you might get hit...

[-] FuntyMcCraiger@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 year ago

Americans be like "Nothing gets between me and the job that makes me want to kill myself."

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

I can't be ladt to my 12 hour shift on my second job or i'll lose my home tomorrow.

[-] holycrap@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

You also lose your health insurance. You know, the American way to prevent protest.

[-] Jerb322@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yup that's the only reason

[-] GracchiBros@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We get it, you care as long as your selfish ass isn't inconvenienced. I so love a society that pretends to care oh so much about democracy and the average person supposedly being able to change things and then being so angry about then being the target of protests when they don't take the actions to change things.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

You think they don't know, or don't care? They can't do shit about it because individual people aren't the root of the problem. "Inconveniencing" someone by potentially costing them their livelihood and home isn't going to win you any support.

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Protest in the middle of the fucking road, and you might get hit...

This guy has so many edges he became a sphere.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 6 points 1 year ago

You're asking them to protest at places where you evidently haven't noticed the protests all these years, because you haven't shown up. You're not going to show up. I don't think even you believe you're going to show up.

But you do seem to notice the protests you can't ignore. There's only one way you can make those stop.

[-] don@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

If sticking heads in sand was an Olympic sport, climate change deniers would consistently take home 100 kg antimatter trophies.

[-] twelvefloatinghands@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Isn't the direct and immediate personal inconvenience the point? But, like, target the people who have decision-making power.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Just try to actually target the people with decision-making power to see what happens.

Those "we must have an impact!" protest never do that.

[-] lemmy@lemmy.stonansh.org 5 points 1 year ago

If you believe there is anything you can do about this. Then you are naive. There are almost eight billion of us. We have an immense industry. People not worrying about things like that is normal. Because they are to busy feeding there children. Trying to live a little. Also why do people think that you can stop climate change. The dice has been rolled. Alea iacta est.

[-] BNE 17 points 1 year ago

Stop with the black pill nonsense. There's plenty we can do. Get active, get amongst it, break unjust laws.

Lay down and rot somewhere else.

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[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

It has become fashionable for some to take a defeatist condescending stance like this when it comes to issues that affect everyone. If you think it makes you look smart, it doesn't. These are pressing issues and people have to take action. If you don't want to, go ahead and disappear. But don't talk down to those who are and those who are calling for it.

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[-] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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