Peak dystopia indeed : shoplifting

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 122 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Imagine if the pigs had just, like, bought those kids shoes. You know, improve the lives of other people

Sincerely, not just a quote or a meme, fuck the police.

This just in! It wasn't just the cops it was also NORFOLK FUCKING SOUTHERN!

The good news is that they dropped the burglary charges. The bad news is that they've instilled a distrust in police among the black community for at least another generation.

[-] logos@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 years ago

Good point. Did they buy a truckfull of Nikes just to fuck over some kids?

What did they do with them afterwards?

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] Clent@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Think you mean also good news for that last sentence. ACAB is an important life lesson.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Norfolk Southern, the fun boys and girls that chemo-nuked east Palestine?

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 76 points 2 years ago

The police would have infinite times more trust if they weren't so hell bent on incriminating innocent people. From lying and coercing to you to get a confession, trying to search your home and vehicle without warrants and setting up traps that innocent people may fall for like this. There is no trust in the police because trusting them is the worst thing you can do.

Obligatory reminder to never speak to the police without a lawyer, they will use anything you say to attempt to convict you.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] trinitrotoluene@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Such petty things give those dipshits a sense of power

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 59 points 2 years ago

That sounds a lot like entrapment, which I thought was illegal.

[-] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

It's only illegal if the kids know what entrapment is and go to court for it.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago

I think it's only entrapment in a legal sense if the cop tells you take the sneakers. Simply presenting someone an opportunity to commit a crime isn't entrapment.

If a cop went over to the kids and said "hey look, that truck is full of sneakers and no one is around, so you should go take them" that would be entrapment. But the sneakers just being there and the kids on their own accord deciding they should steal them isn't entrapment.

It's a really shitty thing to do to be sure, but doesn't fit the legal definition of entrapment as far as I know.

[-] DagonPie@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

It is. But if the police ask them without a lawyer "did you steal those shoes" they dont know any better and will say yes. Then they can take that to court and their parents and say "They admitted to the crime" and then more bullshit continues. Thats why if you ever get arrested DONT SAY SHIT until a lawyer is present.

[-] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Don't say shit is my go-to after watching every forensic files episode. Seems like pretty much everyone gets convicted by admitting to it.

Clam up and let the police work it out. It's not your job to help them.

[-] CoderKat@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's not entrapment. See https://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped for a good explanation of what entrapment is and isn't. It's commonly misunderstood.

Though what it is is a very sketchy use of police resources.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

It's called an attractive nuissance and it's only bad if normal people do it.

[-] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Who's gonna arrest them, the cops?

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

Holy Fuck. I went to Snopes thinking that I would find that this was bullshit.

It was 2018, but it seems to be true.

snopes

[-] wheresmypillow@lemmy.one 38 points 2 years ago

“the truck was locked and required considerable effort to break into, and that perpetrators couldn't have known the truck contained Nikes until after they broke in and began ransacking it.”

[-] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

That really changes to tone of the entire thing.

[+] TheLurker@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] SamboT@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Idk. The trailer was unmarked and locked. There were a lot of freight vehicles getting broken into, so they parked one and waited for another legit crime to happen.

Just seems smart tbh.

[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Isn't that like actually entrapment and illegal?

https://www.oakbrooklaw.com/illinois-criminal-law-blog/illinois-entrapment-defense-police-provoke-commit-crime#:~:text=Illinois%20Entrapment%20Law&text=The%20public%20official's%20behavior%20must,into%20the%20alleged%20offender's%20mind.

[-] cloaker@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago

No, when a police officer incites it is. When a police officer merely places the truck in front of them but keeps it locked and doesn't say anything to them it's not entrapment. It is still however morally wrong and genuinely some of the most disgusting police conduct.

[-] 520@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago

The truck was locked, had no logos, and the cops didn't push them into stealing from it. Thus it isn't entrapment

However, they placed it in an area where they knew people are desperately poor and regularly have to turn to illicit activities to make ends meet. Most truck drivers know this and don't park their shit outside for this reason. To anyone older, this would look like an obvious setup. That's why they targeted kids.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

"Qualified immunity"

ACAB

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

It's weird how in some places the police is the one with a criminal's mindset.

[-] marco@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

They did actually have to apologize and said they wouldn't do it again ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-bait-truck-police-department-norfolk-southern-railway-englewood-a8488666.html

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Pinky promise ;)

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

Are the kids wrong to steal, even if stealing was made easy for them? Yes.

Does that make this story any less dystopian? No.

[-] kingludd@lemmy.basedcount.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wrong to steal shoes in a random truck, yeah. Wrong to steal shoes, -literally placed there for you to steal-, I hope some of them at least got away with it.

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago

This post got kinda popular and so probably lots of folks that are not subscribed will see it. Please follow the rules pointed out in the sidebar, especially:

do not derail discussions with your concerns about morality or ethics

You can always use the pinned post Why a(nother) shoplifting community to talk about why you think stealing is wrong.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They should be given the same treatment users usually demand for pedophiles.

(Edit : as I wrote in a comment, this is not serious, I just wanted to know how people would react. Abolish prisons, courts and police)

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago

I am not sure if calling for death penalties for cops is something that fits slrpnk.net or the solar punk ideals.

Instead I would like to point you to the !abolition@slrpnk.net community which collects resources on alternatives to our current punishment based idea of justice.

Personally I also like this text about executions: Against the Logic of the Guillotine, Why the Paris Commune Burned the Guillotine—and We Should Too

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, I absolutely agree with you. My comment was a kind of .. test ? I wanted to know how people would react to this. It always seems to me that cops violence is taken very lightly, even among progressives, while the most cruel punishments are demanded against other abusers.

Well, the (only) reaction I got was yours. I didn't expect that.

But yes, in truth, I fully agree with you and I'm a committed penal abolitionnist. Feel free to delete my message, I'm all okay with it.

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago

I think its a weird way to test the sentiment of a community. Maybe a question would have led to more reactions but I dont think anything need to be removed (I dont speak for the community on this instance tho)

[-] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

I’d really like a link to this article

[-] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago

Looks like it was 2018:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/chicago-bait-truck.html

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[-] peanutdust@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] wheresmypillow@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

And why did you put security right there to arrest me after I took it?

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

First it is dystopian for others, then those you know, then you.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Isn't that entrapment? Isn't that illegal?

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