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What an utter piece of shit.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 235 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is this not treason? Like legitimately, technically.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 177 points 1 year ago

It may be a violation of the Logan Act, which makes it illegal for private citizens to interfere with foreign relations.

[-] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Logan Act deals with private citizens negotiating with foreign governments. Unless he fucked with Starlink at the direct request of the Russian gov't, I don't see how the Logan Act applies. EDIT: apparently he did it after speaking with Russian government officials. So never mind, Logan Act is absolutely implicated.

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[-] orclev@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago

Against Ukraine certainly, but since he's not a citizen of Ukraine, then no. If these were US forces that he sabotaged, or the US was actually fighting in the war then it would also qualify, but once again that doesn't apply. It definitely runs counter to US foreign interests, but that's not enough to qualify (and probably good it doesn't, a LOT of stuff people regularly do it could be argued would run counter to US foreign interests).

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

He did this with federal funds. And the US hasn’t declared war since, what, WW2? The Rosenbergs were executed for treason, and we never declared war with USSR.

[-] Jordan117@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

The Rosenbergs were executed for treason

Espionage, actually.

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Treason is very narrowly defined in US law. The US is not at war with Russia, and the US is not Ukraine, so no, it's not.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 210 points 1 year ago

It's cute how if Ukraine fights back that risks nuclear war, but when Russia invades a sovereign country it doesn't

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[-] taranasus@lemmy.world 191 points 1 year ago

Hang on... That's sabotage. Straight up. That's a criminal offence no?

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 79 points 1 year ago

Yes. Assisting putler's genocide against Ukrainian children is a war crime.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

Yep, but he's rich. I fully expect nothing to happen.

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[-] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 164 points 1 year ago

Elon is not the president, a leader, the military, nor a government. This parasite should be in a prison or a brig at the very least. This is fucking treason.

[-] Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

He controls 10K satellites, the electric car charging infrastructure, and a massive global communications platform. He's too big to control. Good thing we hero-worshipped him for years. 🫢 🤭

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[-] iyaerP@lemmy.world 153 points 1 year ago

If he loves Russia so much, we should deport him there, and nationalize all his assets since SpaceX is a critical security apparatus and he's clearly the foreign agent of a hostile power.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 140 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fucking charge him with something. This is insane... If it's not treason, it sure as hell is undermining the billions of dollars in aid were sending Ukraine. We've sent 76 billion dollars so far.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

Yeah, if an unelected CEO can tell a democratically elected government what it can and can't do we're no better than medieval peasants who had to bow and scrape for the nobles' favor

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[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 119 points 1 year ago

I know it's an anathema to most in the US but the government needs to step up and take Starlink and Space X off Musk for a fair price. He's way too unstable to be trusted with tech that important.

[-] Hegar@kbin.social 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A fair price would be musk in jail for his crimes.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

The older I get the more socialist I am. Yeah, take it away from his dumb ass, but don't keep it ffs. Make it employee owned. Make every business employee owned.

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 102 points 1 year ago

I mean if a person does anything directly affecting a war (for any side) I'd say that person is a wartime volunteer.

Wartime volunteers that have taken up arms are a absolutely viable target for military strikes.

Just saying 🤷‍♂️

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[-] krayj@sh.itjust.works 101 points 1 year ago

Any system capable of manipulating the outcomes of international conflict needs to become property of the government via eminent domain...especially if that system is used...especially if used by an entrepreneur operating without oversight.

[-] thann@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Deactivating US military hardware in the middle of a conflict sounds a lot like an act of treason...

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[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 78 points 1 year ago

Musk is a war criminal. This is a crime against humanity.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 123 points 1 year ago

It's neither of those things. Words have meanings, and legal terms have very specific meanings.

[-] SamboT@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

Hey look a rational person.

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[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago

Elon is a Russian bitch just like the rest of the billionaires.

[-] atyaz@reddthat.com 71 points 1 year ago

It seems like privatization is working out great for us 👍

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 63 points 1 year ago

If true, my respect for Musk just dropped a .... well, none at all. It would be totally in character.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

Make sure to save this for the next time that shitbird or one of his moron suckups tries to say he helped Ukraine. Fucker oughtta be treated the same as any Russian collaborator.

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[-] muzzle@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But the truly galaxy brain move is in this article:

After CNN’s reporting, Musk reversed course, tweeting “the hell with it … we’ll just keep funding Ukraine govt for free.”

Gwynne Shotwell, Musk’s president at SpaceX, was livid at Musk’s reversal, according to Isaacson.

“The Pentagon had a $145 million check ready to hand to me, literally,” Isaacson quotes Shotwell as saying. “Then Elon succumbed to the bullshit on Twitter and to the haters at the Pentagon who leaked the story.”

[-] BioDriver@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago
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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

Yeah we keep finding out more and more ways this mofo sucks. Somebody needs to strap him to the front of his stupid rocket and launch him into orbit.

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[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 year ago

Muskovite belongs in prison with the other russian war criminals.

[-] blazera@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago

From the moment he gutted 80% of twitter staff very soon after a secret meeting with Putin, its all been pretty obvious Musk is a Russian asset. Twitter helped rally international support for Ukraine and he hasnt been subtle in sabotaging it

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[-] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago

Throw that fuck in prison and nationalize all his shit.

[-] Venomnik0@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

“Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”

Yes my satellite that is actively being used in a war should be designed only for Netflix and chill.

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[-] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Fuck you, Elon - you festering vomit of a man.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

That's insane

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