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Every few years, a Silicon Valley gig-economy company announces a “disruptive” innovation that looks a whole lot like a bus. Uber rolled out Smart Routes a decade ago, followed a short time later by the Lyft Shuttle of its biggest competitor. Even Elon Musk gave it a try in 2018 with the “urban loop system” that never quite materialized beyond the Vegas Strip. And does anyone remember Chariot?

Now it’s Uber’s turn again. The ride-hailing company recently announced Route Share, in which shuttles will travel dozens of fixed routes, with fixed stops, picking up passengers and dropping them off at fixed times. Amid the inevitable jokes about Silicon Valley once again discovering buses are serious questions about what this will mean for struggling transit systems, air quality, and congestion.

Five years ago, the Union of Concerned Scientists released a report that found ride-share services emit 69 percent mo

re planet-warming carbon dioxide and other pollutants than the trips they displace — largely because as many as 40 percent of the miles traveled by Uber and Lyft drivers are driven without a passenger, something called “deadheading.” That climate disadvantage decreases with pooled services like UberX Share — but it’s still not much greener than owning and driving a vehicle, the report noted, unless the car is electric.

Khosrowshahi insists Uber is “in competition with personal car ownership,” not public transportation. “Public transport is a teammate,” he told The Verge. But a study released last year by the University of California, Davis found that in three California cities, **over half of all ride-hailing trips didn’t replace personal cars, they replaced more sustainable modes of getting around, like walking, public transportation, and bicycling. **

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[-] mhague@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It won't be easy to compete with public transit. You'll need to make sure to gun it when old people are still finding a seat. Whenever someone asks for help you need to get pissy. You'll need to look customers at stops directly in the eye and then pass them up. You'll have to leave customers in 110F weather while you play on your phone and eat ice cream. Whenever the city alerts you to construction you have to ignore it and drive into dead end streets so you can sit there for hours until another driver can come help you reverse. You'll need to just say "Fuck it" and not run routes when you don't feel like it. You'll need to lose entire buses and tell people with a straight face "guess you'll have to wait another hour." You'll have to charge people out the ass and then act indignantly when they try to use your services. You'll have to let people play gambling games or Tiktok at 300% volume. You'll have to let kids vape and cloud up the bus.

Well actually I guess it won't be that hard. Just hire average Americans, treat them badly, stress them up a bit, and they'll be fucking up other people's days in no time.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 58 points 1 week ago

And when they've put regular buses out of business with VC money, they'll crank those prices through the roof. Enjoy.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

If bus is run by government and for free, then it probably won't affect anything. But then uber only operate in places where there's no efficient public transport.

[-] Trimatrix@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago

Would be nice if the article fucking included a picture of the shuttle.

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago
[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 week ago

It’s literally just a bus with “uber shuttle” written on it. Or an airport shuttle with the same

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 20 points 1 week ago

No, it's literally just a bus that isn't legally one. So they can get away without meeting basic requirements for a bus.

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Well it's going to be pretty slick when the poors riding the normal bus in the bus lane get to watch all the uber shuttle people stuck in traffic.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ahahahaha. It really is just a fucking bus. These mfkers are truly incredible. And I'm not entirely sarcastic here. They're great at inserting themselves into existing systems and syphoning off profits out of them.

[-] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Most of the internet is articles with thumbnails that aren't featured in the article link. Fun times

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

😆 these guys keep reinventing the metro, the train and the bus...wtf is wrong with them...is it a branding issue, are the busses for the "poors"? Ok, call it the new west coast high-speed dragon rail gun. And the deep tube network and the 2D space shuttle :D

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

As a tech bro, my app of choice is Google Maps. It used to be suuuuuper hard to figure out which bus connections would get you home at the time you wanted. Half the time "except Thursdays" would be hidden in an asterisk or something.

Now I can drop into any city with zero research and just go places easy.

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, it's an indirect deregulation thing. Private company "shuttles" that are only factually but not legally identical to busses don't need to fullfill all normal requirements for operating a bus. Probably including liability that you passed on implicitly by using the app.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

From my very limited experience, it comes down to two things:

  • who owns the buses
  • who makes money off the buses

My experience in taking public transit generally is that there is often very little advertising about them and as a result people don't know about them unless you have to use them. Not only that but bus route maps are so damn hard to read. The best innovation I've seen is Google maps allowing you to use public transit as an option to get somewhere.

The second is who is profiting. We all know conservatives don't like paying for services they don't use, especially when it benefits the poor. Schemes like Uber are a way to get people to pay for their buses so that the municipality can pay less into their public transit system and ideally pay into theirs.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 week ago

For one thing, tech bros are stupid. They're the kind of stupid where they think they have all the answers, and don't know what they don't know. So sometimes they're completely sincere when they think they have a genius new idea (eg: a small private room where you can make a phone call. And maybe we can just put a phone in there, in case you don't have yours charged or whatever. And then we can charge a fee. A phone booth. That's a phone booth.)

But sometimes they do know the idea already exists, but they're selfish, capitalist shit heads. They don't want to make a better world. They want to make a profit. If they can run a "bus" service, drive all the other competitors out of business, and suck up all the money from a handful of people? That's a win. That's better than actually getting people where they need to go. People who live in out of the way routes? Fuck 'em, not profitable. People in wheel chairs? Not enough of them to justify the cost of making the buses accessible.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago

Do you know how many times the wheel was invented? Some things just make sense

The reason they keep doing it is for "innovation". Not technological innovation, pricing scheme innovation

[-] griff@lemmings.world 13 points 1 week ago

It’s super hard to resist public transit at higher prices

[-] dgriffith@aussie.zone 14 points 1 week ago

It’s super hard to resist public transit at higher prices

It was 65 dollarydoos for a projected 25 minute uber home from Brisbane airport on Friday night.

I took the train for 55 minutes instead. $22.30 of my train fare was for the 10 kilometre section that is privately owned by "Airtrain CityLink Limited", the public owned section that took me the remaining 10km cost 50 cents.

Fuck the corporations that want to try to replace public transport.

[-] dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com 3 points 1 week ago

For now, these prices seem … “reasonable”

Looking at it objectively your options were to:

  • Spend 1 hour going 20km for $22.80
  • Spend 1/2 hour going 20km for $65

3x the price for 2x the speed isn’t wonderful, but it does have a niche. That is, assuming the speed is guaranteed (it’s not) and the price remains the same (it won’t).

Of course, these axes I’ve provided also ignore the important distinction that the train probably transported a bunch of other people, too, and the Uber would not have.

Also fuck that private section of the track, that’s horrible.

[-] dgriffith@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also fuck that private section of the track, that’s horrible.

The rest of the train and bus network for a hundred kilometre radius is 50 cents.

Previous state government in the late 90s "did a deal" with a private corporation to construct the line out the to airport and allow control for 35 years.

10 more years of this shit and then it gets handed over to state government.

[-] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Going to be interesting for the Olympics :)

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

What the hell is up with your trains where it takes 55 minutes to go 20kms?

[-] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Many stops and 100 yr old alignment, we don't take public transit seriously in most of Australia and particularly in Queensland. It can take longer as there is only a service ever 30mins.

One time it was pouring rain, I had to stand on the seat at Eagle Junction Station becase the cover where you wait is like a bus shelter and it was blowing in.

It also shares the line with freight in parts, and our spangly new inland rail freight line will end in suburban Brisbane where they'll the offload to trucks to transport it 50km to/from the sea port and it does't extend to the next biggst freight port a few 100km up the state at Gladstone. Many of us seem to think this is a marvelous idea.

Was watching a video of the new metro line in Vietnam and sighed :(

I used to live on the Gold Coast and caught the train all the time as well as the tram on the Gold Coast (was car free living there) My mother asked one time how long it took to come up and see her, I said I don't know, i was engrossed in my book. She refused to catch the train :)

Another balls up, instead if going to the airport on the Gold Coast they've decided to turn Burleigh Heads into a giant bus stop and use buses and Trams.

A decent argument was to be had over should it be extending heavy rail (my pick) l, or light rail to the Gold Coast airport, the new government chose buses ..wtf ?

[-] dgriffith@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's mainly because there are 15 stops along the way a couple of kilometres apart through the CBD, plus a 7 minute wait in the middle to change trains to another line.

The trains are capable of 100 km/hr but basically through that area they get up to 40-60km/hr before having to slow for bends/switching tracks/the next stop.

[-] oxysis 11 points 1 week ago

It’s every few weeks another scam project that “””reinvents””” the concept of buses or trains pops up. Just make good public transportation and all these slop projects will look even more foolish than they already are

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

But public transport is COMMUNISM. Someone needs to be profiting!

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