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submitted 1 year ago by MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

Despite what Canada's nation hating extreme right would have you believe.

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[-] MooseGas@kbin.social 108 points 1 year ago

I don't think you have to be extreme right wing to have legitimate concerns for the future of Canada. The country is literally on fire. Houses are over $1 million and health care is barely functioning.

I'd hate to see the other guys I guess.

[-] Mudface@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

Groceries are fucked, gasoline is fucked, interest rates are fucked, can’t buy a house, can’t buy a car (or probably shouldn’t right now), dollar is fucked, schools probably going on strike again, a Canadian team hasn’t won the Stanley cup in 30 years …..

[-] MooseGas@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the corrupt politicians who will never face any real consequences.

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[-] PaganDude@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

And what's really fun is that despite the housing crisis, many home builders outside the big-3 city areas are running slow right now because regular people can't qualify for housing. I've only been working 5-12 days a month for the last year, between a shortage of framers (many moved to Ontario in 2021 due to work slowing), shortage of materials, and now interest rates killing purchases.

We're so fucked, and anyone in a position to fix things just refuses to. If you build public housing, prices drop and you get voted out by angry house owners. Don't build houses, and both homelessness and living standards get so much worse, and you get voted out by angry poor folks.

[-] Mudface@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I am construction industry adjacent and business has been really bad

[-] Sir_Osis_of_Liver@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

This just tells me that you don't know what fucked is.
Interest rates topped 21% , while mortgage rates topped 18% in 1981. Inflation was over 11% at the time. We'd just gone through two massive oil shocks, where the price of gasoline was almost double what we have now when adjusted for inflation, while cars struggled to get under 20L/100km and were rotted through by their third year.

Strikes were rampant, but so was high unemployment, at times topping 10%. A lot of industries just closed up shop, only accelerated as the Canada-US FTA came into effect.

By 1990, a lot of that had settled down due to the high interest rate treatment, but the accumulated debt of the Trudeau and Mulroney years had us facing a debt crisis just as we fell into a deep recession in 1991-92.

[-] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The average house price in the 80s was 3x the typical family's annual income. Yes, 21% was high but had much smaller principals comapred to the 5%+ we have now when homes are at least 7x the typical family income.

Even worse in CCOL (Crazy Cost of Living) areas like Toronto or Vancouver. Vancouver needs a family income of over 225k to qualify for a mortgage on the average house price. This average house is not a dream home, you're lucky if it's 1200 SQ feet and in a safe neighborhood. Or within a 75 minute drive to work. Don't even get me started on trying to buy a car today either.

I think what we need to do is not compare how fucked it was then, I don't disagree that it was.

However it's clearly fucked now and nobody's doing anything to unfuck it.

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[-] Mudface@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ya and my mom bought her house for $45k in 1980

I’m looking at 4 bedrooms right now for about $1.2m

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[-] WiseThat@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

See, that's the thing. The 10 factors in the ranking include 1) Entrepreneurship, 2) "Open for Business", 3) "Movers", 4) Power, and 5) "Agility", or a place that is 'efficient in its actions, adopt and accept modern solutions'

So, like, half the factors are "how badly do you screw the environment and average non-capital-class citizen"

And in case you think I might be wrong about what they mean by "Movers", the top 5 are the UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Saudia Arabia, and India.

Of COURSE our country, which is composed a bunch of oil, gas, and mining corps in a trenchcoat shaking hands with a couple of oligipolistic banks and telecoms will score well.

[-] nicktron@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Look at the source: its a law firm who brings immigrants over to Canada. Of course they're going to pump our tires. It helps them with business.

[-] hoot@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

This comment needs to be higher up.

This kind of article isn't news, it's marketing.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, but the extreme right call Canada a dictatorship, a third world country, a shithole, etc. Hell, the leader of the official opposition called our freely and fairly elected right of center milquetoast Prime Minister and his father, "Marxists." It's ridiculous. Literally worthy of ridicule.

Most of the people who are complaining have no frame of reference other than being brought up in the safe, warm busom of one of the best countries in the world.

[-] MooseGas@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

It is scary. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree that Canada is a great place to live. However, we can't take that for granted.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Absolutely true. There are problems but they are first world problems and we really are very lucky to live here. I just bristle at hearing things like, "Canada is a dictatorship", no it isn't, "Canada is a third world country", no it isn't, "Justin Trudeau is a Marxist and so was his father", ridiculous. Some people need a dose of perspective.

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[-] RickyWars@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 year ago

Go Canada, but I think this might show how much more of a depressing state the rest of the world is in

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

That's what it looks like from Finland as well. Often in high rankings, it's just horrible to know what others are going through

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As a Canadian expat, these sorts of surveys are an embarrassment. Canada is not that great. It has some good things going for it, but "second best in the world" is a laughable statement.

  • The wealth disparity is terrible
  • Nearly every inhabited patch of land is a suburban hellscape.
  • The government is routinely dedicated to accomplishing as little as possible, especially on climate
  • The fossil fuel lobby is embarrassingly strong
  • The cost of living is extreme for many, with little effort to reign it in
  • The country suffers from an inferiority complex in relation to the US of all places.
  • The electoral system is broken

I mean, I love my country, but I've seen a lot of places that I'd rather live. The idea that we're 2nd best compared to even half of the countries I've visited in the last 10 years is just silly.

[-] Numpty@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

I can really relate to this. I lived outside of Canada for 25 years. I recently-ish moved back to Canada and am totally blown away by things here. Life isn't always amazing in any place you pick on the planet, but god damn, Canadians need to stop contemplating their collective belly button lint and focus on some of the massive issues that need attention.

[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile my girlfriend just got back from travelling around Europe and all of those "superior" countries, and couldn't wait to get home.

Said everyone was rude, taxis scammed her frequently, the public transit was pretty subpar with no other choice, the food was pretty mediocre, she had to be extra careful about pick pocketers, and lastly she said everyone stunk so bad from perfume that she had a constant headache.

Canada isn't perfect, but it does have a ton going for it.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I've been to Europe many times, and my experience has been the total opposite of what your girlfriend describes.

Europe is huge. Don't judge a whole continent for what your girlfriend experience is maybe one or two places.

That's like saying that North America sucks because your girlfriend got mugged in Juarez, México.

[-] Cr4yfish@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Out of interest, which places in Europe?

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Well she wasn't in the nordic countries at least, public transport can be subpar but is almost always servicable and gets you anywhere (we have on-demand minibuses for rural areas), the only part that could apply is being seen as rude because we don't greet every person within our field of view..

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago
[-] kevincox@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

That is sort of an assumption when talking about a list of the best countries.

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[-] SourSweetChaos@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago
[-] Thursday@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

us is #5 because of propoganda.

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[-] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have been to a lot of first world countries for extended periods as a digital nomad. Canada is not even in the top 5 imo

[-] mudeth@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

As a digital nomad, I'm guessing you would have been to relatively low CoL places like Bali, Thailand, maybe Eastern Europe or LatAm. You have to remember that your experience as someone from the global north, earning in a strong currency is very different from a local person there.

Not that i disagree with you that rankings are flawed but by the same token, Canada /is/ in the top 5 for many people from low standard-of-living countries

[-] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Typically you’d be right but as a DN I actually spent most of my time in North America and western Europe—mostly in countries people would compare Canada with (UK, France, Spain, Norway, Germany, USA, Australia, etc.). I never went to Asia or South America as a DN. Actually the only time I stepped foot in LatAm was in Panama for a month this past winter.

It really changed my perspective on Canada. I don’t think it’s a bad country at all but I don’t hold it in as high regard as I once did. Every country has its strengths and weaknesses. What those are is different for everyone. Canada is squandering immense potential in my opinion. If it wasn’t for family, there are several places in the USA I would consider living long term instead.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

What you believe doesn't change reality.

[-] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What U.S. News believes doesn’t change reality either. These rankings are and always have been subjective BS

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[-] Yazer@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

Thanks Trudeau. Can't get us to #1.

[-] Mudface@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

If this is the second “as good as it gets” place in the world … omg

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

What's your frame of reference? I mean, you live in the second best country in the world and you're complaining.

[-] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

The cities are completely unaffordable.
All of the parties are in favour of using TFW programs to suppress workers rights and not doing anything about blatantly illegal anti-worker activities.

The Trudeau government is welcoming immigrants at a rate of at least 3% of the population per year(not the problem), but not spending a penny on infrastructure to support that kind of increase(a big problem)

Carbon offset credits are a complete joke.

The ISPs are in charge of the body that is supposed to regulate and rein them in.

BC is being devastated by climate change and Ottawa isn't lifting a damn finger on it.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

Through a survey of over 17,000 people from 36 countries

Oh, so subjectively "better"? What about objective measurements, like how many people are a paycheck away from losing it all? Or the cost of living? Or worker rights?

Specifically, Canada was chosen as the:

  • 2nd best country to start a career
  • 4th best country for education
  • 7th best country for studying abroad
  • 7th best country for raising kids
  • 2nd best country for racial equality
  • 6th best country for women
  • 6th best country for comfortable retirement
  • 6th most transparent country
  • 2nd best country to headquarter a corporation

Imagine a sports team coming in 6th place for most tournaments, and never winning first in any of them, yet they win an award for being the 2nd best team in the league... makes no sense to me.

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[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

But Poilievre says Canada is the worst place on earth!

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

He also says that it milquetoast right of center Prime Minister is a Marxist. He's a liar but the people who believe his nonsense are fucking idiots.

[-] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

It might be the second best, but I feel like that's more of a statement on the rest of the world failing in specific areas than on Canada excelling.

We're a B- student in every class. Sure, it's not the highest score and in every subject we're usually surpassed by other countries, but most other countries don't have a B- average due to major issues of some kind.

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[-] blindsight@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I had to click through to see the ratings in each category, and they all seemed reasonable to me aside from Canada's low rank for "Adventure". Eco tourism is huge in Canada. People come from all over the world to Canada for outdoor adventure.

Maybe I'm just not a traveler, but that ranking seemed odd to me.

Then again, I don't live in the continuous urban sprawl of Southern Ontario all along the 401 and up the 400. I guess if you live in Toronto, you're like 2+ hours from eco tourism destinations, while, in Europe, 2 hours is enough to have the option to go to several other countries.

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