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[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago

It's worse than that. Amtrak gets government subsidies. Conservatives take that to be Communism, so even the "capitalist" solution, the only train we have, is constantly under threat.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Which is, as you hint at, an absurdity. Communism, Capitalism, and Socialism are not elements of society, but the overarching Mode of Production. That's why Bismark wasn't a Socialist despite nationalizing industries, what matters is the overall economy and the direction it's heading.

[-] Dubois_arache 14 points 2 months ago
[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago
[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago
[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

there is already a political memes channel, put it there

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago

On Lemmy.ml, there"s a catch-all Memes comm (this one) and a specifically non-Political memes comm (a different one). The "political memes" comm you are talking about is likely the Lemmy.world one, which is politically biased towards liberalism and against Communism, so it makes more sense to post here.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago
[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

China has state capitalism, far from Communism. Still a win for china tho.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago

No, China does not have state capitalism. Presumably, what you refer to as "state capitalism" is the fact that much of the economy is under state ownership. However, there is a fundamental difference between regular capitalism and what you refer to as state capitalism here. The purpose of labor under actual capitalism is to create capital for business owners. Capital accumulation is the driving mechanic of the system, hence the name. Meanwhile, the purpose of state owned enterprise is to provide social value such as building infrastructure, producing food and energy, providing healthcare, and so on.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago

The PRC is a Socialist economy that is governed by a Communist party. "Communism" as an ideology is the guideline of the CPC, ergo the fact that the PRC has rapidly developed a massive and competent rail system can be seen as an achievement for Communism.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

China is not state capitalist, its a mixed economy with the planned socialist sector predominating. See here.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

China isn't communist, but way kess stupid as the US, that is the main difference. It's something like a state capitalism, not depending on private lobbies as in the other capitalist systems. A real comunist state don't currently exist in the world (no, also not North Corea, it's a fascistic dictatorship, not so far from what will be the US with Trump in the near future)

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

China is a socialist state with a communist party in charge of it. This is an indisputable fact. The whole notion of state capitalism is a misnomer. The purpose of labor under actual capitalism is to produce capital for business owners. Capital accumulation is the driving mechanic of the system, hence the name. Meanwhile, the purpose of state owned enterprise is to provide social value such as building infrastructure, producing food and energy, providing healthcare, and so on.

Communism does not exist in the world because capitalism is still the dominant ideology. Socialist systems such as one in China are the first step towards communism.

[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

If communism is a complete lack of a state, do you believe communism is possible?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If we understand the state to be any and all administration, then no, but that's not the way Marx and Engels treated "statelessness." Engels in particular referred to stateless administration as "The Administration of Things" as contrasted with state society as "the Government of Persons" in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. States are specific instruments of class oppression, without class, there's no need for a state in the Marxist sense.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

I'm personally skeptical that a complete lack of states can be achieved in practice. Humanity is simply too diverse, and it's highly unlikely that everyone will agree on a single common system. Even if it was possible, lack of state would not mean lack of need for management and organization, so you would still have hierarchical structures in place to manage things.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

That's why Engels referred to the remnants left behind from a state that has withered away as the "Administration of Things." It ceases to be an instrument of class oppression in a classless society, but administration remains a useful tool for Communist production.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago
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