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In light of plans to introduce this policy and the particular circumstances surrounding some boxers that competed at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.

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[-] TikoBrown@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Regardless of where you stand on this issue one thing is fact. Republicans love this issue because it wins them elections over and over and will continue well into the future. Think your going to vote Trumps and his kind out of politics while fighting hard on this issue? People are terrified to vote Democrat just on this and the bathroom points alone. Gay rights/acceptance have come very far in my lifetime, and that is awesome but we are on the edge of losing ALL of those hard won fights while facing full on fascism world over if we don't strategically/temporarily retreat on 'some' issues until we have power and minds again. Take the wins and fight another day, the masses are too divided over this issue at this point in history thus causing weakened voting power blocs while the right is strongly united. I know for a fact there are many rightwing plants everywhere pretending to be left leaning using these talking points to divide us. A smart person picks when, where and how they fight, if winning is the goal.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Political wins, humanization and support for the existence of non-cis people, it's potato potahto to you right?

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[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

So much more fun if you believe it to be a test of skill instead of the depressing reality.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 168 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Olympics testing sex means they will be testing women, and never men, it means they'll come up with a test that requires different representatives of different competing nations to agree a woman doesn't technically qualify as a woman despite her fully functioning uterus, and again they'll be invasive and humiliating and poor countries will have twice or more disqualified athletes, they will go after women of color twice as hard, and the more extreme countries they send these women back to live in will treat these women horrifyingly bad.

[-] ALilOff@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

In a way they do testing on men in sports all the time. They test for testosterone levels for one to see if the athlete is not utilizing Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs).

But I also haven’t read the article on the methodology they will be going to be utilizing.

[-] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Generally because the differences in male and female biology mean that ftm athletes are coming in at a disadvantage and only risk end up being hurt themselves by male athletes who generally have them at a disadvantage. Mtf athletes however, due to the aspects of male physiology that remain, have a higher likelihood of having an advantage over female athletes and also posing a danger to the other athletes. This is generally why most womens categories were introduced in the first place (female physical disadvantage).

Especially in martial arts and combat sports like boxing, which are already inherently dangerous, the physical safety of the athletes and protecting them must come above more ephemeral goals such as inclusion in my view.

As it stands with current day medical technology, there are limits to how close a transitioning individual can be changed to resemble the opposing gender.

Given how deep the differences are physiologically between the sexes with things such as lyonization I'm not entirely sure that it will ever be possible to fully transition a person outside of weird and ethically questionable future tech such as vat-growing a genetically modified clone and somehow transferring the consciousness of the person.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago

There are several cases in sports already where people who are born women and have a female phenotype and genotype, but have naturally higher levels of testosterone, who have been banned from competition.

The message they use is the they're "protecting women" but it isn't actually the goal. Often there aren't any cases of transgender athletes outperforming their cis opponents, yet they still try to create these rules. It's frequently actively harmful to many cisgendered women.

The problem with all of this is the "basic biology" crowd never learn that biology is really fucking complex. What they learn in grade school is not the totality of biology, yet they assume they must be experts and force their very limited and wrong views on other people. It's bad and harmful and siding with them makes them feel all the more justified in their crusade of bullshit and misinformation.

[-] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I'm not particularly familiar with the politics of sports, nor am I particularly interested - as such I won't comment on what their goals are. I am, however, very familiar with human biology and healthcare. 5 yrs of secondary + tertiary education familiar in addition to several years of work experience. You'll unfortunately have to take my word for that. I don't intend to dox myself with documentation.

With my outlook on the topic, it doesn't seem like a "crusade of bullshit and misinformation". Headline news, physiology and most importantly "data and medical evidence from an extensive range of sources and consulted widely with other sports and experts across the world" - as they claim. I don't have time to personally look into that (sucks to have a life amirite) but am inclined to trust that they care for the athletes and have done due diligence. If you (or anyone else for that matter!) has material that disputes the validity of their work do feel free to link it in a reply. I and others I'm sure would be interested in reading such material.

Thanks.

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[-] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

What are you talking about? This is not about transgender at all. For those you could require a birth certificate. This is targeting women that are born as girls but, due to genetic anomalies, do not appear as such on genetic tests. Many (most?) would never discover the genetic anomaly during their lifetime.

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[-] Walk_blesseD 6 points 1 week ago
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[-] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 116 points 1 week ago

I had a sex test done recently. The results were negative.

[-] No1@aussie.zone 2 points 6 days ago

"THERE WAS SHRINKAGE!"

[-] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 week ago
[-] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

Hold on. Wait a minute.

It's cold and I need fluffing.

[-] einkorn@feddit.org 59 points 1 week ago

Unlikely, but it would be hilarious if some self-proclaimed alpha male found out the hard way that he is in fact intersex.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And those tiny number of edges cases need to be highlighted to show it does indeed happen. With biology, there is rarely ever truely binary. Biology is too mushy.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 week ago

Looks like I need to post this again.

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[-] match@pawb.social 47 points 1 week ago

Sex testing should be allowed but any time someone calls for sex testing and gets it incorrect the boxer 2should get one good punch in on them

[-] ryokimball@infosec.pub 31 points 1 week ago
[-] scott@lemmy.org 25 points 1 week ago

You joke but this sort of shit does tend to lead so sexual harassment at the very least.

[-] VagueAnodyneComments 31 points 1 week ago

"None of these guys can fuck, it's over for this sport."

[-] mat@jlai.lu 29 points 1 week ago

Wtf are they gonna do? Check if there is a vagina? Uterus? DNA? If you are insensitive to testosterone but with SRY (the gene responsible for sexual differentiation during fetal development), you end up AFAB, but without uterus. Is this woman enough? (You even lack testoserone)

[-] 474D@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

You could read the article, it states it's a chromosome test. Not that I agree with this, but its a bad look to react without doing the bare minimum

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

They are going to find out chromosomes are super complicated. There are XY AFAB cis women and we don't actually know how common they are because we don't test for it.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Pretty sure there's XX AMAB as well. But what are they going to do with XXY or XYY?

[-] bamboo 14 points 1 week ago

FTA:

The PCR test is a laboratory technique used to detect specific genetic material, in this case the SRY gene, that reveals the presence of the Y chromosome,

So it seems as though the test will basically be

if y_chromosome:
    return Male
else:
    return Female

I assume in both XXY and XYY, those would be classified as male under their criteria.

[-] mat@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago

The best thing with that is that there is a possibility to have the SRY jumping to a X chromosome. They are fucking dumb

[-] insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

"Where test results for boxers that want to compete in the female category reveal Y chromosome genetic material and a potential DSD, the initial screenings will be referred to independent clinical specialists for genetic screening, hormonal profiles, anatomical examination or other valuation of endocrine profiles by medical specialists."

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago

Seems to me like they were already aware when writing this Press Release, they mentioned the policy on DSD:

Athletes that are deemed to be male at birth, as evidenced by the presence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a difference of sexual development (DSD) where male androgenization occurs, will be eligible to compete in the male category.

Athletes that are deemed to be female at birth, as evidenced by the presence of XX chromosomes or the absence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a DSD where male androgenization does not occur, will be eligible to compete in the female category.

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[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Athletes that are deemed to be male at birth, as evidenced by the presence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a difference of sexual development (DSD) where male androgenization occurs, will be eligible to compete in the male category.

Athletes that are deemed to be female at birth, as evidenced by the presence of XX chromosomes or the absence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a DSD where male androgenization does not occur, will be eligible to compete in the female category.

Oh wow. What's social construction? *points*

[-] McDropout@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

It’s funny how the west will punish us for not accepting LGBTQ+ but will turn around and saying that an ALGERIAN contestant is using LGBTQ+ propaganda to progress. As if the algerian population are accepting of LGBTQ… people of algeria has marched the streets in support of Imane Khelif during the olympics. I don’t think algerian people would proudly march for someone who is openly LGBTQ

Idk maybe european women are weak 🥀

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago

Did you know racism is when you use someone's genetic background to assume they think or act a certain way without considering them as an individual?

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