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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 106 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I moved to Germany 2 years ago, and was afraid of highways being like Mad Max, but I was positively surprised.

Most drivers are very attentive and skilled, keeping the rules, driving safe. I like it much better, than Eastern EU, where people are also going 150+, and are being assholes in the meantime. The upper limit of 130 just puts stress on me, because I obey the laws, but the giant SUV in my ass flashing their highbeams does not. In Germany this barely happens to me, most drivers are polite and safe, even in expensive sports cars.

I really came to enjoy the liberating feeling of driving at my own (and the traffic’s) pace on the autobahn. Yesterday I was travelling between Dusseldorf and Berlin, long open stretches of 3-lane roads, with only a few cars around. I was going around 200, yet I saw a car far behind me coming up fast, some polite flashes of lights from the distance, I pull to the right, and let a Porsche pass me quickly.

I might sound like a carbrain, but I’m not. Everybody should try German highways once, so they can form their own opinion, and not judge based on internet memes. I feel 10x safer on the autobahn, than on some shitty Eastern EU highway with a bunch of apes around me, who don’t care about the rules.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 72 points 7 months ago

200 kph is 9,500 mph, for us Americans.

[-] p_consti@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

What the hell is that figure, it's 125mph

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago

Either way it makes a whoosh sound as it goes by

[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 26 points 7 months ago

It’s hyperbole. He’s saying you’re driving so fast it might as well be the speed of sound.

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[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I don't understand. How much bananas per quarter dishwasher squared is that?

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[-] Asetru@feddit.org 24 points 7 months ago

because I obey the laws

flashes of lights from the distance, I pull to the right

Doesn't sound like you were obeying the Rechtsfahrgebot.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 months ago

Driving at those speeds uses exponentially more fuel. RIP planet earth :(

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[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There are no "polite flashes". If you have to bully other cars out of the left lane, you're driving faster than traffic allows.

[-] Dynamo@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Polite or not, in German driving school you are taught to use either the horn or flash your high beams to signal intent to overtake. So flashing the high beams from a distance could be seen as polite since you will not ride their ass before they have time to move to the right to let faster traffic pass.

The fuck kinda driving school did you go to? Both flashing your high beams and using the horn is simply not allowed and counts as "Nötigung". If someone is in the left lane while not actively overtaking, should move to the right, no discussion there. But when I encounter aggressive assholes, the kind who uses high beams, it's always when there's too much traffic to race across Germany.

[-] Dynamo@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

To signal intent to overtake flashing the light (outside of settlements) is legal and described in the StVo. It’s not illegal. Doing so while driving very close to the front car while they have no chance to make space can be „Nötigung“, yes. The situation described by OP falls under the legal use of high beams in my opinion.

OK, yes. The issue is only that I've never seen it used in an OK situation. Probably because I drive in the most suitable right lane, unless overtaking. I only ever see it being used while overtaking, which should be visible for the person speeding. And that is not a situation where it's fine to signal your intent for overtaking. When there's an Elefantenrennen that forces others into the left lane, you can signal all you want. There are simply too many cars to drive fast. I don't know how often I've been bullied out of the left lane, fearing for my safety, only to merge right back right behind the asshole who's now stuck behind the car that was right in front of me. I'll never understand that mindset.

Contrary to OP I hate driving on German highways because of the amount of aggressive assholes. I always found driving in the Netherlands much more relaxing.

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[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 102 points 7 months ago

Jokes aside you are only allowed to drive as fast as is safe for those around you

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 72 points 7 months ago

There is no one around me. They are all behind me.

Yes I am a BMW driver. How could you tell?

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 53 points 7 months ago

Because it's a 1-lane road, you're going 20 under the limit and refuse to use any turnouts.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Well it's midnight with no street lights, it's super foggy, and the roads are icy as fuck.

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

But your headlights are still bright enough to melt everyone else's retinas

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Gotta pierce that fog, baby!

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[-] mxeff@feddit.org 71 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 56 points 7 months ago

It's more like if you drive too fast you're not insured. Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you're free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don't have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 22 points 7 months ago

Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you’re free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don’t have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.

If that isn't the most accurate description of driving through Germany, I don't know what is :D

[-] zerofk@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago

Ironically, Germany is the only country where I’ve gotten speeding tickets on the highway when driving through Europe east to west or vice versa. I’m still not entirely sure whether it was because of road works, the fact that I had a (small) trailer, or something else.

[-] froh42@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

With a trailer you're limited to 80kph (or 100kph im some cases)

And police is setting also setting up "distance traps" on the Autobahn, you can get a ticket (or even lose your license) for tailgating.

[-] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For trailers, there is a general speed limit of 80km/h, unless the trailer is suitably equipped and officially approved for 100km/h and is towed by a suitable vehicle. (Here, the specifics get complicated, because Germany) Trailers capable of driving at 100km/h must be marked at the rear with a sticker.

sticker for100km/h trailer

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

At least their fines aren't as ludicrously high as other EU countries. It's only high when you speed next to roadworks I think.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 8 points 7 months ago

Which is wrong. Fines have to be linked to income and they must hurt or they are just a tax.

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[-] Asetru@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago

It's more like if you drive too fast you're not insured.

First time I ever heard this. You lose insurance? What?

[-] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 16 points 7 months ago

Yeah, you are allowed to drive as fast as you like on some Autobahns, but if you have an accident and your speed is deemed to be faster than safe, the insurance companies are like "nah bro, you brought this on yourself"

[-] colmear@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago

Also, if you are faster than 130 kph and have an accident, you’re always deemed to be partially at fault, no matter what happened

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[-] TerHu@lemm.ee 48 points 7 months ago

regarding the legality of breaking the sound barrier:

if i remember correctly there’s is an indirect general speedlimit, because any vehicle moving below a certain height is not allowed to go beyond 400 something kph. now this is intended for planes and helicopters and such, but afaik also applies to cars. therefore breaking the sound barrier, sadly, would be illegal. besides, i think breaking the sound barrier is limited to certain zones anyways.

i’m not trying to nitpick on the joke, but rather give supplementary information that may be interesting.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 13 points 7 months ago

Plus there's noise limits.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

The US drivers could not handle the German traffic rules, punishments and technical checks for their vehicles. Over half of the vehicles in the USA would fail the Dekra and TÜV inspections.

[-] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 16 points 7 months ago

Absolutely! So many incredibly bad drivers and so many garbage cars. Never seen so many broken down cars along a highway. And all the shredded tires. Makes me glad to have something like the TÜV, even though it can be annoying at times.

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[-] Fabian@lemmy.zip 33 points 7 months ago

German here. It is true that yes, there are some parts of the German highway where there is no official speed limit. But often times, be it through traffic or speed limits, you can't drive that fast.

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[-] kalistia@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So it's a good time to say it once more, a lot of this is based on myths, not knowledge.

Having no speed limit is a really bad thing for both the environnement AND for public safety.

https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/the-case-for-speed-limits and so many more examples.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 8 points 7 months ago

You're preaching to the choir.

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[-] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Bit of both actually, the way that Germans drive is kind of an example for the rest of Europe. I'm sure that high fines have a lot to do with it but many of the best driving habits in my country came from Germany.

[-] kindenough@kbin.earth 27 points 7 months ago

The fines are low compared to where I live. One of the precious pictures of my wife is her getting cought speeding in Germany and realizing it at the same time.

Can't stop laughing everytime I look at the picture they sent us with the speeding ticket.

It was surely worth the 15 euro fine.

[-] randombullet@programming.dev 13 points 7 months ago

Speeding fines are cheap. Road tax in a sense.

But if you get into an accident, the fines multiply very fast.

If an accident is caused by the winter tire violation, the guilty must pay a 120 Euro fine in addition to other applicable allegations of the accident.

Killing an animal with your car, you'll be fined the cost of the animals life.

If you damage a tree by crashing into it, you also have to pay for the replacement of the tree.

You can be fined for tailgating above 80km/h.

It's also illegal to run out of gas on the Autobahn.

It's illegal to leave your car unlocked.

List goes on and on, but I've actually never seen many enforced (aside from paying for the tree, it was nearly 2.5k per tree)

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[-] Hupf@feddit.org 18 points 7 months ago

Just make sure you respect the Rechtsfahrgebot

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[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 16 points 7 months ago

here it's more like follow the speed limit except for when a bicycle is ahead of you. you bike behind a car and they will obey the school zone limit. you bike over the limit ahead of them and they will speed to pass you and kill a child for bonus points.

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

germans: famous for their hating the rules

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 8 points 7 months ago

Well, the rules in place are kept. The point is that there is no general tempo limit

[-] 96er4lyf3@lemy.lol 14 points 7 months ago

Germans any other time: obey the rule no matter how bad

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 15 points 7 months ago

If there is no rule to obey there is no problem. But the majority of Germans (60 percent was the last number I heard) is actually for the introduction of a speed limit.

But this topic is kind of like discussions about gun laws in the US. So hardly any party picks it up. Especially not the current government parties.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 12 points 7 months ago

Is it working better for the rest of the world?

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 21 points 7 months ago

Germany has fewer than average road fatalities than most of the world. Less than average in Europe too.

It's not really statistically noticable in that regard. Not the best, but far from the worst.

[-] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago

Could be better still. Also fewer pollution.

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