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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 131 points 3 weeks ago

The names don't have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means "he who hears". Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means "rock". So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.

[-] capuccino@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

Now everything make sense. In spanish, "Peter" is "Pedro", that sounds like "Piedra", that means "Rock"

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 weeks ago

See also 'petrify' (make into rock) and 'petroleum' (rock fat)

[-] capuccino@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

The female for "Pedro" is "Petra", what make it more obvious, and also "Petronila" is a woman name, that comes from "Petroleum"

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

I’d be fucking mad if my parents named me after petroleum

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[-] carotte 30 points 3 weeks ago

omg, in french Peter is translated to Pierre which also means "rock"! i always assumed that was a coincidence

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[-] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock... Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)

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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18

BTW I know this one because of Angels & Demons.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

You can see them too?

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Similarly Platos name means broad, which was because he was a wrestler and kept up his physique. It also spawned a joke I'm fond of.

Diogenes wanders into Platos academy and says "Broadly speaking-" To which Plato responds "Yes I was now shut up"

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[-] lowered_lifted 9 points 3 weeks ago

i was once taught by a guy named Pete Rock and he was the first to tell you that his name means Rock Rock lol

[-] LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I am amazed that the name "Pierre" (also french for stone) litterally comes from the greek for "rock"

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Rome and it's consequences

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[-] Zenith@lemm.ee 94 points 3 weeks ago

Very common cult tactic to this day

[-] MBM@lemmings.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

Also a friend tactic. It's just a nickname

[-] RobotFK 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I have friends of which I could not tell you their legal name at Gunpoint

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Learn from the best.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 78 points 3 weeks ago
[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty much this. Cults isolate you as their first step. Anything that can be used to make you feel beholden to them, or "fresh/new". They make you think your parents are the enemy, and convince you that your real "family" is inside the cult.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Had a friend in college who wiped out repeatedly - stumbling down stairs, walking into trees while talking, stepping on his own feet - all through freshman year.

Everyone started calling him "Trip".

Which, I guess, implied he'd joined a Cult?

[-] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 34 points 3 weeks ago

One guy gets a nickname? No problem. You have a guy claiming to be a holy man assigning people names? Then you got a cult

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

You have a guy claiming to be a holy man assigning people names?

"Simon, you're the most reliable person I know. You're my rock. I'm going to refer to you as My Rock, because you are my most loyal and stalwart friend."

Huge red flag. Avoid this person at all costs. You are in a ~~profoundly deep, possibly romantic relationship~~ Cult.

[-] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago

Is the guy naming him also claiming to be the messiah? That seems to be the part of the quotation you're missing out on

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Is the guy naming him also claiming to be the messiah?

All while performing bonafide miracles, sure. The pet name for a loved one isn't the problem.

If, two thousand years from now, the High Priestess of the Church of Getting Your Vaccines So You Don't Spread Illness was referred to as "Saint Cuddlebug" I'd consider that kinda sweet, not cultish.

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[-] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago

I don't actually believe Jesus ever claimed to be holy or did half the shit he is claimed to have done. I think he was an activist and kind person and the story got twisted over time.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Only the true messiah would deny being the messiah.

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[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

LOGICAL FALLACY - AFFIRMING THE CONSEQUENT.

If X, then Y does not imply if Y, then X.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

LOGICAL FALLACY

Calling someone a pet name is not a matter of logic.

[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Of course not. It is your interpretation that having a nickname implies cult membership that is the logical fallacy.

The argument is:

  • If CULT, then NICKNAME
  • i.e. If X, then Y

Your interpretation seems to be:

  • If NICKNAME, then CULT
  • i.e. If Y, then X

Which is the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent.

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[-] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Paul's is the funniest because he only got one letter changed from "Saul," even though he had used to be the biggest menace. He was a Christian hunter. Not like a professional one, more like McCarthyism but against Christians.

Saul was a perfect example of sin, and Jesus said, "Let's switch that 'S with a P, and he's all good. '"

(Please don't hurt me, I'm joking)

Edit: Wait, my bad. Jesus changed his Roman name, "Paul" to "Saul," (which was Paul's, Jewish name), and after Jesus died, when Paul moved to Rome, he went by "Paul" again. That's also right before he was imprisoned and executed and where he'd write parts of the N.T.

I had to double-check everything, lol. That felt like the mendala effect. It turned out he also spent some time in the Bahamas dreaming about some guy named Yosef.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

Also every Hollywood agent with Jewish clients from 1900 until present day.

[-] einlander@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Even in the Bible they people with deadnames.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

you tend to do that when you and your buddies are up to street crime

[-] exasperation@lemm.ee 21 points 3 weeks ago

What's the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent meal of loaves and fishes?

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

taking multiple roman soldiers' equipment a mile down the road, destruction of money lender property, theft of grain

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[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'm imagining a Reservoir Dogs scene playing out about the names.

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[-] Toribor@corndog.social 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

A: "Good job Tex."

B: "My name is Sam sir, I'm from Wisconsin."

A: "Nah, you're Tex now."

(This is my vague memory of a gag in an Atomic Robo comic)

[-] Blackout@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

It worked on Muhammad Ali too

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