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Something like "Foreign ministers of Italy, France set to meet blablabla". There's just two parties being mentioned and yet no "and". Makes me do a double take every time.

Asking because that's not a thing in German and I've only started noticing it recently but since then I've seen it a lot.

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[-] IndieSpren 70 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's a thing that comes from the era of printed newspapers. Every word took up valuable space and cost a lot of ink when printed on millions of papers.

If you could cut a word from a headline and still make perfect sense to readers, you did it. There were no sentences which readers couldn't understand if you replaced all the ands with commas, so it became the standard for newspaper headlines to do so.

[-] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 16 points 3 days ago

That's interesting. Especially because like I said it's not a thing in German. They used to use just an ampersand to be space efficient. I like those unique sorts of quirks. Reminds me of the "etaoin shrdlu" thing. Also no German equivalent.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fewer letters made room to use a larger type-size and still fit on one line. I don't know, but maybe the comma only needed a half space, & the ampersand needed a whole? They are cuter though.

I'm sure some meticulous German has calculated which letters are use most frequently, I wonder what "name" it would spell?

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

We know it primarily from context switching. It's a thing very specific to headline-speak

Ironically when looking up "context switching" I got programming results. Apparently Wikipedia refers to the language thing as "code switching".

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 3 days ago

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[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Don't know, I'm just here to state my absolute hate for the practice. Sure you don't write "A and B and C and D", but "A, B, C, and D".
However, "A, B" is absolutely awful.

[-] boydster@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago

Upvoted purely for the use of the Oxford comma.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago

It tends to remove ambiguity

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 points 3 days ago

And panties.

[-] fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

I feel the pause of the Oxford comma when I speak. Always throws off the rhythm of a sentence when I don't see it in text.

[-] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago

Another thing that used to interrupt my reading flow. I've since come around though.

[-] br3d@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

It's a very American style thing. UK English media don't do this, and it always feels strange when I see it in US media

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago

Weirdly, as a non-native speaker I find UK headlines even harder to read.

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago

My whole life, yeah.

[-] loppy@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago

You made me realize this is actually pretty common in math, e.g. "Let x, y be real numbers" instead of "Let x and y be real numbers". I imagine this comes from the infuence of notation like "Let x, y ∈ ℝ".

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