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A lodging facility in Kyoto has drawn a protest from the Israeli Embassy in Tokyo for asking an Israeli man to sign a pledge that he had never been involved in war crimes.

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[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 2 months ago

This right here is what I love about Japan.

When I was there a few years ago to snowboard, they had a "fuck you" policy to non-Japanese speakers in some towns because the Aussies basically run around rough shod and turn everything into a loud party.

Imagine being in a sleepy resort town while 7 dudes are walking down your cobbled street screaming about Ruggers, then one falls into the cold stream because they're drunk, so a rescue team is sent out... On a weekly basis.

There's simply a no more bullshit cap.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 months ago

So, to be clear, you get how that's more than a little bit fucked up, right?

To demonstrate, imagine a deep southern U.S town instituting an English-only policy and aggressively turning away for example Spanish or Arabic-speakers.

This is not something to be celebrated. Ban the thing you actually want to prevent instead of pushing through unmitigated xenophobia.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 months ago

Yes, I do. But I am a foreigner there. When we don't observe their traditions and disrupt their society, I feel like it's okay for them to set boundaries.

I get why it's not right, but I also accept it. It's not my country, not my rules, not my traditions. So, I am willing to live by their rules.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

imagine a deep southern U.S town instituting an English-only policy and aggressively turning away for example Spanish or Arabic-speakers.

Yeah that's called Tuesday in the rural south.

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[-] mg2130@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

You realize not every country wants foreigners right? It’s their right to dictate that. There was this whole thing about how America and England literally threatened Japan with artillery until they opened their borders.

[-] kadup@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

not every country wants foreigners It's their right to dictate that

That's an extremely complicated philosophical argument that goes beyond two simple sentences, I hope you realise

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[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

What you love about Japan is it’s cultural intolerance?

[-] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you go into someone else's house, you need to be respectful of their space.

Many Chinese and Indian tourists regularly trample the alpine flower fields at Mt. Rainier National Park for selfies or just as a shortcut when they get tired of walking on the hiking paths.

When confronted, instead of being apologetic, they get defensive and diminish the impact of their actions by demeaning American culture and spaces.

"It's just some flowers. They'll grow back!"

Yeah, maybe. But that will take eighty years and it may not even happen due to climate change.

These kind of behaviors are what sours locals against tourism, especially when it is consistent across a cultural tourist groups.

We all need to do better when visiting each other's spaces, and that starts by owning our cultural shortfalls and poor behavior, with the goal of personally improving our own.

Ironically, I've never heard any complaints about Japanese tourists, as they often arrived well-educated about local customs and behave respectfully.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

There's a difference between being respectful of the space and racial exclusion. What they are backing is racism.

Japan is a nation that has intense issues with racism that they have never confronted and it is fucking weird how often people are willing to forgive their overt racism.

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

What was the policy? Or was it just that they literally said "fuck you?"

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago

Not literally those words. From what I've seen online, various establishments, if not entire towns, have thrown up "Japanese only" or "Japanese language only" to discourage foreigners. They generally only do this after there's been a trend of tourists making asses of themselves, but since the first places to do it kind of went viral, it's not too surprising if the habit has sprung up elsewhere.

Sure, it's only a handful of disrespectful tourists when all the rest are fine, but if you allow any non-Japanese (person or language, pick your preference) eventually you'll get those tourists.

Like it or not, it's a simple way to say no to that.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

Not only that, it's not a hard and fast rule. The operative word is "discourage." If you're polite, ask nicely, have at least a rudimentary level of skill in the language, the staff will most assuredly seat you.

I was trying to get into this one sushi place in Nagano for weeks when I was there, finally threw up my hands and just walked over. Very modest, very simple, and probably the best I had while I was in the country.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that's racism.

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I have no idea why the west is so ok with Japan's ranked competitive racism...

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Reminds me of the Nazi bar analogy.

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[-] BenjiRenji@feddit.org 68 points 2 months ago

Classic Japanese. No dancing around or confusion about anti-semitism, just straight out asking the Israeli about recent war crimes.

Had the same as a Swiss guy living there: sure, everybody loves Roger Federer, but they also know about Nazi gold and the banking secret protecting dictatorships. And they just ask about it directly. Would never happen on Japanese topics though.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

Yeah, it feels slightly tone-deaf for Japan to be doing this. It’s not quite as bad as the USA dong this but it is close

[-] prole 34 points 2 months ago

IDF service is compulsory for Israeli citizens, so it was a legitimate question to ask.

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[-] Drusas@fedia.io 27 points 2 months ago

Japan is not doing this. A private business is.

[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 56 points 2 months ago

Wait, so Israel is not even trying to distance itself from war crimes... Their actual point is "not all war crimes are equal and it's difamatory to label everyone who commits war crimes with the same 'war criminal' label"... Wtf is wrong with those people.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

No, their point is you shouldn’t be randomly asking Israelis if they committed war crimes.

The article points out there are ten nations whose citizens they ask this question.

[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 28 points 2 months ago

Based on the article there's nothing random about it and it's not just any citizen. They ask it of people who served on nations that have active conflicts. So basically, people who might have been in position to commit war crimes.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

They are asking random Israelis.

This is of course ignoring Japan’s history and glorification of their war crimes which is ongoing.

[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They are asking random Israelis.

Did you not read the comment above you? They ask people who served in the military.

Israel has mandatory military service for all citizens so that's probably why "randomly Israelis" may be screened. They're ex-military.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago

It's not random. It targets specifically individuals who recently served in a military which is accused of committing war crimes.

[-] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 49 points 2 months ago

If being asked to confirm that you have not committed war crimes makes you uncomfortable, then you might be a war criminal.

I'm pretty sure Japan's immigration asks if you've ever been convicted of a crime, so how is this any different?

[-] PyroNeurosis 8 points 2 months ago

It's different because no jury in Israel will convict someone of warcrimes (against Palestinians).

No conviction, no crime. EZ.

[-] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 47 points 2 months ago

Japan: "did you commit war crimes?"
Israel: "i'm outraged"
Japan:"that isn't a 'no'..."

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Its what the free market wants ;)

[-] hark@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

If israel doesn't like this treatment then they should stop the policy of forcing israeli citizens to serve in the israel genocide forces.

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 24 points 2 months ago

How could any Israeli citizen say no on #3 At this point. Even if you arent directly committing atrocities yourself you still are funding the government engaging in it. Not to mention most all of them have served in one capacity or another (involuntary aspects nonwithstanding)

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This honestly doesn't make much sense. The implication would be that all citizens are culpable for their government's actions once they start paying taxes.

Funding your government isn't a voluntary act, so your last parenthetical already invalidates most of what you said.

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[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So by that logic, are all Americans war criminals because Americans pay taxes, which go to fund drone strikes that murder civilians overseas, domestic militarization of police, prisons, etc?

This is the same logic as "all Palastinians support Hamas."

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The purpose of my comment was kind of to call out the ridiculousness of the question being on the form, because if that broad definition is how were defining war criminals, then yes I think logically it would mean people funding the war crimes in any capacity would then be war criminals themselves. Again, by the definition assumed based on the question being on the questionnaire. When I read it my first thought was that I could probably not say no to that question as a US taxpayer

Personally I dont think aiding & abetting in any way, especially through involuntary taxation, is enough to define someone as a war criminal. But its fair to say we (collectively) arent doing enough to stop the bad shit our taxes are funding, which is true of any Israeli citizen right now as well.

People could refuse to pay their taxes and risk arrest, but I dont think thats an effective form of protest. Better to not be in prison and have a voice. But there would be a logical consistency in doing it

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[-] Phineaz@feddit.org 12 points 2 months ago

So ... we should've hanged all the Germans in '45? The child soldiers drafted in Berlin? Shot the entire Japanese army? Drag all US-citizens to court for acting against the constitution?

I am going to be downvoted to oblivion, but: Lock up all Palestinians for not extraditing terrorists and war criminals?

Where do you think this will go, honestly? How is any of that justified, or fair? Should we commit a genocide of our own upon the Israelis? I know that's not what you said and I very much hope it's not what you meant.

This platform sometimes, fuck me.

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[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

What's the protest? "We don't want to be pointed at when we commit war crimes" ?

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

The embassy thinks it is messed up to ask people if they committed war crimes.

This is ignoring they ask people from 10 different nations this question.

[-] loki@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

Is "asking" messed up or committing war crimes more messed up?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

the same amount of war crimes as happened in Nanjing

Japanese man scribbles down zero

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