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[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 118 points 2 months ago

I will vote for whoever isn’t the disgusting republican traitor. But give me fucking AOC, ffs.

[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd vote for a literal dog at this point as long as it had competent, non fascist advisors.

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[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago

Why would they, if they know you'll vote for whoever isn't republican

[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Good call. Best to not vote so they don't even need to try to win your vote. /s

Why are .ml some of the dumbest people on Lemmy?

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 2 months ago

Democrats are gonna blow it on a fucking centrist again

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

Organize now and win primaries later. Shove a progressive down the DNC's throat like Trump shoved himself down the RNC's throat in 2016.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

2016, 2020, and 2024 made it obvious the Democratic Party will never let a progressive win the election. They will do whatever they need to do to mess with the election to prevent that from happening. 2016 they manipulated the media heavily, used delegates to manipulate numbers early to build support for her, manipulated graphs to make him seem like he was doing badly, constantly misconstrued Bernie's ideas in media interviews, gave her debate questions, and showed empty podiums Trump would sit at instead of Bernie speeches. 2020 they brought in Bloomberg who only entered to make sure Bernie didn't win, also did some media manipulation, kept trying to coopt some of his ideas in a more watered down form, and then called everyone but Warren, who shared the most voters with Bernie, to drop out at the same time after it looked like he could win. In 2024 they basically didn't even have a primary, with no debates, interviews with candidates, or anything, and even skipped it in some states. Once that process was over, he just handed the candidacy over to his VP.

They will always tip the scales and will never let it be fair if there is a danger of an outsider winning. The Democratic Party is a bunch of donors and industry staffers in a trench coat. I've basically given up on having any hope in it, this last election and it's support for "the most lethal army in the world" while we're enabling a genocide was the last straw.

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[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Their corporate donation spice must flow, and a progressive platform isn't what is requested.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 29 points 2 months ago

Democratic voters need to find their balls and brains to deny the establishment their choice instead of reluctantly getting behind the MSNBC boosted candidate. The best thing we can do for the Democratic party at this moment is criticize the fuck our of establishment bullshit.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Democratic voters need to find their balls and brains to deny the establishment their choice instead of reluctantly getting behind the MSNBC boosted candidate.

If it looks like that's going to happen, they just won't bother with primaries.

Again.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 11 points 2 months ago

I am so fucking sick of doomerism.

Neither party has ever had a real primary for an incumbent president. Neither party has ever not had a primary without an incumbent president, since we started having primaries. I'm not defending it, because it's an affront to democracy, but if your looking at the past to predict the future, then you should do it right.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 2 months ago

I hope everyone here is finding and boosting viable third party candidates. We've got several long rows to hoe, but we can make the garden grow.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 100 points 2 months ago

They don't want a safe candidate. A safe candidate would be someone who takes broadly popular positions, like Medicare for All, a jobs guarantee, or public internet. They want centrist candidates, which the consultant class has convinced them is safe (and, coincidentally, never take positions that upset the donors), but centrism is the least safe position to take at this point. No one who is watching their wages stagnate while the cost of living skyrockets is thinking, "I hope this can be solved through incremental changes that don't disrupt that status-quo too much!"

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

They want centrist candidates, which the consultant class has convinced them is safe

They want centrist candidates and don't care if they're safe.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

I think there's legitimate self-delusion that keeps some of them believing the centrist is the safe choice. Some of them delude themselves into thinking that being centrist is a good idea because people don't like, "wokeness." Some of them convince themselves that if they're too progressive, the donors will abandon them and they won't have enough money to win. I think the old timers like Carvil legitimately think that centrism is the best strategy because they can't get past 1992. But yeah, I think deep down, they would all prefer losing with a neoliberal centrist than winning with an actual progressive, even if some of them won't admit it.

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 months ago

Yeah, they want to ride the edge and put forth the most conservative a candidate possible that still has a plausible road to victory (and the plausibility can be pretty thin). The last few candidates haven't been anywhere close to just lining up with the most popular issues (either within the Democratic party or the larger electorate).

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

It's just insane. People are so desperate for change that they're willing to vote for fascism, and the Democrats are trying to put run a moderate conservative. If they're not completely delusional, then they must believe the James Carvils of the party who are telling them they just have to wait for the Republicans to become unpopular again to take power. In the best case scenario, they'll win in four years, then lose in another 4 (probably to a more competent fascist) because people will see they're not doing anything for them.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 10 points 2 months ago

I'm feeling deja vu from 2016. Hopefully the primary electorate has learned something that the establishment has not.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

The problem is that the party has a lot of control over the primary; they can keep people off the ballot, they can decide who gets to debate, they can set a primary schedule that favors preferred candidates...The reason we got Biden in 2020 was because Barack Obama made a bunch of phone calls and got everyone who would have spit Biden's vote share to drop out. Progressives need to spend the next four years calling out this corruption and excising these people from the party at the state and national levels.

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[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 65 points 2 months ago

DNC donors want a corporate stooge for president who does nothing and says nothing they don't approve of.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So they're already trying to throw the 2028 election. For fuck's sake

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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Crockett said Democrats have ‘this fear’ about voting for a woman again after Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton lost

Both had a VP named Tim. Need to run a third trial where a safe white man runs with a VP candidate with the name Tim to confirm that isn't the issue.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

I am an extremely safe looking whiteboy and I'd love nothing more than an AOC pres and Crockett vice pres ticket. That shit would be awesome.

[-] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 33 points 2 months ago

I certainly will not vote for Newsom or Buttigieg. Unless some other incredible candidate comes out of the woodworks, I'll be AOC or bust if she decides to run.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

AOC with Crockett as vice pres.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 31 points 2 months ago

It's not that the candidates are women, POC, nonbinary!!! It's they're Republicans (DINOs).

That said, I like Jasmine. Afaik

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago
[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago

Sanders will be 86 by the time of the next election. It's time to stop pushing for him. It's not going to happen, and probably wouldn't be a great idea if it did.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Sanders will be 86 by the time of the next election.

We care about age now that we no longer have to pretend that biden is lucid.

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Are you looking for another president who has to be wheeled onto the stage to repeat "and by the way" over and over for 90 minutes?

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Guillotine for president 2028

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

It's already newsom. They just haven't done kabuki primaries yet. If they deign to at all.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Newsome is such a corrupt slime. He let PG&E get away with literal murder for shareholder profit. He was married to that god awful Guifoille lady. He’s also related to Pelosi and now he has a podcast where he talks to Nazis. California should be leading the way with healthcare, education and job protections but we’re not in fact California enabled and coddled the rise of broligarch facism. People always talk about the homeless crisis in California that was in large part caused by the tech broligarchy. Strap in America because there going to be a homelessness and then a mass incarceration explosion. Voting for Newsome in his ivory tower would just be a vote for the broligarchs.

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[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Your Republicans and most Democrats are two sides of the same medal

[-] Glytch@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

They're both funded by the same ~~people~~ corporations, so many of their goals are the same.

[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

It's gonna be Pete, Newsome, or fettermen. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ progressives are gonna loooove these options /s

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[-] nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

I sure hope it's Joe Biden!

/s

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago

"Safe" is how we got fucking Trump and the Turdpublicans running amok. How about we try some socialism, instead of unbridled capitalism?

[-] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Wow. What a racist as fuck comment.

[-] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

If you’ve made it this far and you can’t fit the jigsaw pieces of America’s racist history and racist present, plus how politics has been dominated by white men almost exclusively, and how leftists are tired of it on so many levels, and you choose somehow to be offended by a white democratic nominee for president being called “safe white boy,” I don’t know what to tell you.

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