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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's like hijacking a plane pre-9/11. Everyone knew you just followed along because the hijackers wanted something. Then 9/11 happened and hijacking the plane WAS what they wanted.

Tarriffs pre-Trump always were to pressure a change in some policy. Then Trump came along and tarriffs were the policy. But instead of World Trade Center collapsing, it is now just World Trade.

[-] desktop_user 12 points 6 days ago

the only issue I take with this analogy is the comparison of an awful person that will kill millions to some terrorists.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It is like 9/11 but in the sense of the entire law book going out the door by using the excuse of "combating terrorism" and ending up where we are now.

Back when the Patriot act was laudly applauded and institutions like ICE were deployed to violate laws people knew this was going to be the end station.

[-] Paddy66@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Totally. Never let a crisis go to waste.

And if there's no crisis, invent one.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

On 9/11 they had all the documents and bills ready to go. Sure was very convenient timing.

[-] spooky2092 2 points 5 days ago

They knew OBL was planning something, all they had to do was sit back and let it happen.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

That's, actually, a very insightful way of putting it. It genuinely seems to be like that.

[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago

It’s not even that it wasn’t coupled with a public investment strategy, but it was coupled with trying to get rid of existing investments like the CHIPS act that are desperately needed.

I would say this was sabotage if it didn’t reek of pure incompetence. What else would you expect from a man that bankrupts casinos.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 19 points 6 days ago

There's a certain type of person that is actually willing to shrink the pie as long as they get the largest part of it. You can criticise neoliberals for a lot (and you should), but their stated goal was to grow the economy and lift all boats that way. Obviously they ended up creating a system where most boats had holes in them, but they did lift the tide.

Trump is going to shrink the world economy, but him and his friends will end up owning an even bigger part (percentage wise) of US assets than anyone before. It's basically going to turn into post-communist Russia. Trump is the Yeltsin figure, the American Putin is waiting in the wings somewhere.

[-] ironcrotch@aussie.zone 4 points 6 days ago

Trump is the Yeltsin figure, the American Putin is waiting in the wings somewhere.

I am pretty sure that hopeful dick bag is wringing his hands in plain sight attempting to dismantle everything already.

[-] sfled@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

What’s wild about the Trump tariffs is that they are not coupled with any industrial policy or public investment strategy that could plausibly deliver US re-industrialization. The result is that the tariffs will likely accelerate US industrial decline and general economic degradation.

It is truly fascinating to watch. Trump has so thoroughly purged socialist ideas from his economics departments, and has ensured such absolute hegemony of neocon principles, that his administration is incapable of conceptualizing and implementing even *basic* industrial policy that could deliver on the Executive Branch’s own stated goals.

Total self-delusion. The billionaire ruling class has no idea what to do, they are completely adrift. And this is dangerous because they are likely to resort to violence and geopolitical bullying in a desperate dying bid to hold onto power.

[-] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago

"Fascinating to watch"
Buddy millions will die...

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 15 points 6 days ago

Tragedy is fascinating. Aristotle knew it, every actor since knows it, historians know it.

[-] RockBottom@feddit.org 8 points 6 days ago

Yeah, it's like a traffic accident.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

The right ones will die if everyone ARMS UP and accepts that we are dealing with NAZIS.

[-] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

And they are the Dumb ones.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I think a better way to "reindustrialize" would be making wages paid to any domestically employed employee's wage, who isn't in the executive class, tax deductible, all coupled with a tax hike on corporations, assuming there's a workplace shortage.

[-] mrslt@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

likely to resort to violence [...] to hold onto power

Oh good, then we can crush them without remorse. I do so love unambiguous villains.

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 5 points 6 days ago

Currently the best way to bring back industrial potential is to create state owned enterprises and have your own four year plan to either grow your SOE or establish infrastructure for private companies.

Oh, and, devalue the shit out of the USD if you want any kind of private investment.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Just like the NAZIS.

Because this regime and all associated with it are NAZIS.

Time to start calling them what they are and preparing to deal with them the only way that NAZIS are to be dealt with.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago

I feel like even that is giving them too much credit. They're like wannabe Nazis, but not even smart enough to nationalize steel and auto industries.

Not forgiving the Nazis anything, and most of the "nationalization" amounted to confiscation of private (I think frequently Jewish) property. They were a hundred percent anti-socialist, but I guess they had one or two real economists floating around, so they didn't completely shoot themselves in the foot economically, like the Americans under Trump seem to be doing.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

The nazis privatized a lot of things, save for public healthcare, which is pretty much the only thing the right talks about in case when they need to prove "the national socialists were in fact, socialists" somehow.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago

The nazis privatized a lot of things …

Oh I wonder why that isn't brought up more, what with right wing governments and their love of privatizing utilities.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Hungary's Fidesz even managed to do it in a way they can communicate it to different audiences that they have both nationalized and privatized it, by selling it to a Hungarian oligarch, but buying back 25% of it immediately to nationalize the losses. Fidesz managed to get a lot of former old tankies as voters by saying they're boing to build a "work-based society".

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 days ago

What dreadful perfidy. I guess the socialists and communists weren't fooled, at least? What a debate that must have been.

[-] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 days ago

Nazis did Gleichschaltung, which wasn’t as much about owning, but about control. They centralized stuff, subverted and merged organizations. But indeed they also expropriate a couple of groups and looted other countries. That usually became national or party property. But people also took stuff for themselves. And they also destroyed property … like book burnings. The Nazis didn’t do well economically. It was part of their plan to loot and exploit other countries. German economy became most efficient when there were already fights on German soil, which means they didn’t work as efficiently as possible before that. England did a lot better due to having John Maynard Keynes on their side.

[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

That "likely" is doing extremely heavy lifting there. That's akin to saying "it's likely the sun will rise in the east in the morning."

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

There is a lot of damage to industrialization hopes. Tariffs on metals, lumber, gypsum hurts building and manufacturing. Energy (solar and batteries) tariffs not only means higher energy input costs for industry, it's yet another immediate cost of living increase for people, and an unsustainable planet is a worse cost of living increase/quality of life decrease.

There does seem to be an industrial policy to militarize AI, and monopolize data centers to US, through politicized investment funds, but they are not getting the quo pro their quid, and limiting the world to US controlled data centers is certain to make them prefer/wait for Chinese tech to catch up.

Retaliation, undermining, and boycotts is going to mean less production and less jobs and less income to afford consumption at higher prices. War on Universities doesn't help future. Forcing kids to replace immigrant labour instead of school focus is anti-future.

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Well they want a future of control, even if it means giving up geopolitical hegemony

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

wait this isnt Jackson hinkle

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