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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 87 points 6 days ago

This appears to be a direct consequence of a recent settlement with the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC), which had charged HoYoverse with deceiving minors into spending for their loot boxes. The Chinese developer was subsequently banned from selling them to users under 16 without a parent's express consent, paid a $20 million fine to the FTC, and was also subject to the following stipulations:

  • Prohibited from selling loot boxes using virtual currency without providing an option for consumers to purchase them directly with real money;
  • Prohibited from misrepresenting loot box odds, prices and features;
  • Required to disclose loot box odds and exchange rates for multi-tiered virtual currency;
  • Required to delete any personal information previously collected from children under 13 unless they obtain parental consent to retain such data; and
  • Required to comply with COPPA, including its notice and consent requirements.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 40 points 6 days ago

The why is rarely argued. The how is always the point of contention. That's why I am wondering what they are asking for age verification.

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[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

I don't understand. For spending money one requires banking/card information. How children will get their guardian's banking details without their consent?

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[-] RiQuY@lemm.ee 37 points 5 days ago

TDLR: "If you don't give us PII information within a made up deadline, we will deny you access to any content you paid in the past."

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 30 points 5 days ago

A settlement with the FTC is not some "made up deadline" Hoyo can change.

[-] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 days ago

Blame the US for declaring that US minors are too stupid and US parents too neglectful to pay attention to what is purchased online.

They have to kick off kids from their game, legally, and nearly all mobile and online games that have any way to spend real money will be doing the same within the next year.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago

They have to kick off kids from their game, legally, and nearly all mobile and online games that have any way to spend real money will be doing the same within the next year.

Good. Gambling is illegal for minors under the age of 18.

[-] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

Most of the game isn't gambling, to pretend otherwise is just silly. It's like being one of those idiots that pretend counterstrike is gambling.

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

If there's an otherwise g rated movie with ten minutes of full frontal nudity and hard-core sex what rating do you think that movie is gonna get?

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 41 points 6 days ago

What are they requesting for age verification?

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Force government ID and I'm out. Max I'm giving you is DOB.

... And I don't even play anymore

[-] por_que_pine@lemm.ee 15 points 5 days ago

DOB, yes.....Fake, but yes.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago

I'm old enough for any DOB check, yet I still lie.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I give websites as little personally identifiable information as I reasonably can. It takes 33 bits of personal info to narrow you down to one individual, and I'm already open about the fact that I'm a white guy in my late twenties living in the north side of Wichita Kansas. That already narrows me down to one of like 50,000 people

[-] shani66@ani.social 7 points 5 days ago

Quick scroll down and a click on wherever i land, mhmm.

[-] octobob@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago
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[-] Lyra_Lycan 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah because they intentionally sexualise their extremely youthful characters

... And promote gambling.

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[-] Kingofthezyx@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago

Dang there is a lot of hate for this game here, like it's definitely not the best game ever but it is one of the most compelling mobile experiences out there, with a decent story that has some great moments, and it can absolutely be played completely for free without missing out on much. The only thing spending money is good for is specific characters and weapons, none of which are required, and you can absolutely save up from playing for free and get almost any of those characters/weapons without spending a dime.

It's not for everyone but I feel like this game gets a lot of hate simply for the Chinese origin, cartoony style, and microtransactions without any actual knowledge of what it's like to play it.

[-] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The only thing spending money is good for is specific characters and weapons, none of which are required, and you can absolutely save up from playing for free and get almost any of those characters/weapons without spending a dime.

This is dramatically underselling the gacha loop. There is absolutely a ceiling for F2P content, where grinding to progress becomes unbelievably time consuming.

It's deep in the game, I'll grant that, but that's the point - like every mobile game, you're meant to get completely hooked on the progression loop with fast early rewards, then each loop drags longer and longer and longer until you either have to abandon the game entirely or start P2W.

It's not that hard to get characters and items, but the FOMO system is ridiculous. Just invested all the grinded resources you had to mercy pull a character you've had your eyes on? Guess what, the next patch just launched an even better character, or the next banner brought back a 5* that is so meta for your team comp that getting that character will exponentially increase your damage output.

Now you have a limited amount of time to grind all that shit again, or let the banner pass and wait for that massive improvement to your team comp to be available some months/years into the undefined future.

And actually upgrading those items and characters to be useful in late game content?

Time to fork over $$, or at least dozens of hours grinding out dungeons that you can only play on certain days and with a limited number of the same daily grind resources that are required for every different type of progression from level ups to ascensions to gold to skill upgrades... the same materials that you can also buy. And each time you progress to the next "level", the cost (and time needed to pay it) increases exponentially.

Basically, the "good" parts of Genshin are specifically (and very effectively) designed to increasingly consume your time or your money. There is nothing "good" about it because it's all just a massive investment in stealing away your life or your life savings.

They didn't make all that awesome content for you to have fun - they made it so that you don't notice when your brain starts telling you "I've put hundreds of hours into this game, $5 is totally worth all that time... just $20 and maybe I'll get that character or skip the next 30 hours of grinding... if I spend $100 I'll get all the stuff I want at a discount, and then I won't have to grind for awhile... except I still need to keep progressing and now that I've skipped ahead by investing money, the gacha loop is even more punishing now, but I'm locked in an ever spiralling sunk cost fallacy now"

And yeah, don't even get me started on the sexualization. What the actual fuck.

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Largest simp/grindwage DB ever

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago

Ha. I hope it kills it.

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