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[-] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago

I swear to God, people spend more time blaming Democrats for not fighting Republicans well enough than they do Republicans for doing things that need fighting.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago

The ire has to do with the representative government where the representatives are not representing.

Which would, in fact, prevent Republicans from doing things that need to be fought.

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

When representatives in democracy aren't representing. You kinda lose democracy.

[-] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

That's because after watching mitch McConnell do literally fucking anything he wanted for years, Democratic leaders and the DNC have the audacity to whine about not being able to do anything.

All so Cuck Schumer can suck off Netanyahu.

I hate republicans, and conservatives in general. They are worse than vermin. But democrats deserve a ton of hate for how badly everything is going. The DNC allowed this to happen, Biden failed his oath of office, allowing Trump to even get on the ticket. The Supreme Court straight up granting immunity to Presidents meant that he could have and should have done everything in his power force them to reverse that because that shit isn't in the constitution.

[-] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

McConnell managed that because Republicans vote in lock step on basically everything. That's not the DNC's fault.

[-] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

yes it is, They could absolutely do that, especially when it comes to defending democracy. That they choose to not obstruct everything always during this nonsense is entirely their fault. Who's fault could it possibly be?

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That is explicitly the dnc’s fault

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Democrats tend to follow rules. That's kind of their thing. When society prefers those who aren't following rules, and explicitly and implicity give them power, the power imbalance is undeniable.
Unfortunately, if Democrats stop following rules, it will make them not worth giving power, power corrupts and all that.
So while it's very nice to push all the blame on them, the only group of people who actually responsible is that quarter of Americans that still didn't lost their minds. Their job was to elect nit monsters and continue to push them to the right direction. Instead they elected monsters into all the power and now are surprised why monsters have all the power.

[-] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

What the hell are you talking about? This is literally their job, of they could not do it then it would break the rules but it clearly does not break the rules because it's something they can do. And they should do it.

The idea that they wouldn't be worth giving power because they did everything possible to stop facism is insane. US citizens are being dragged out of their homes and harassed by ice agents and will never be compensated. People will die. We might not be able to have fair and free elections ever again and you're going to say this brainless shit? This is whats wrong with Americans. A literal insurrectionist was allowed on the ballot because Democrats didn't do anything, and you're really going to say "it's not their fault."

And if you're really going to say they have no responsibility for what is happening then you're literally saying they should wash their hands of the poor, minorities, and immigrants that are going to die because of this shit. You're fucked in the head if you think they have no responsibility. JOE had immunity 9 months. The votes in multiple swing states looked erroneous but a recount was never called.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Americans love to complain but hate to take action.

[-] Khaliso@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago

I mean, what's the larger problem: the operator of the orphan crushing machine, or the guy that won't try to stop them because there's a 'no trespassing' sign on the lawn?

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Every single day it seems more and more that a French style revolution is the only solution

[-] Wilco@lemm.ee 24 points 3 days ago

You forgot to add the corporations raining down money on both sides to keep things this way.

[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The elephant in the room is that people are stupid and politics is about winning them over by any means. There are only winners and losers and nobody cares how you win when you get immunity and can start doling out lucrative government contracts.

The jackass in the room doesn't realize that you have to really manipulate the dummies and do some serious showmanship so that you can get the real policies you want implemented that give more money and power to your side whilst simultaneously pulling the rug out from the other side, draining their capacity to resist by barraging them with stupid bullshit that consumes their money, power and influence for things that generally have no impact to 99% of people beyond a psychological one.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Are people not paying attention, or just love to blame Democrats? They’re not asking for compromises. They’re making clear demands and getting voted down. Most recently, the House Judiciary Committee voted on the deportations. Democrats insisted that citizens be exempt from deportation. Republicans voted them down. This is what happens when you have full Republican control of our government. Keep bitching about the minority party fighting for you, and this is here to stay.

You want fresh blood in the seats? Me too. Vote in the congressional midterm primaries next year. We all have a say in who sits in those seats, but only the elderly retirees show up for the vote.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

And they’ve been sitting on their hands for years even when they did have power. They routinely allow this shit to happen and it’s a little late to say them asking if maybe US citizens could be exempt shows how great they really are. Like, they should be demanding that any deportation needs far better scrutiny, and that would right there take care of the citizen part while also protecting so many others. It’s basically the meme we’re commenting on!

They aren’t protecting the US from shit, and it fucking shows. Your country is bad and you should feel bad, not be making excuses and complaining about Democrats not getting respect for unsuccessfully doing the bare minimum and then saying “guess that’s that.”

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

The only time in the last 30 years that Democrats had the same control that Republicans have now, was the 111th Congress. It was considered the most productive Congress since the 89th Congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 days ago

Joe Biden took office directly after J6, allowed Garland to pull pud for four years, then got the biggest fucking stick an American president has ever gotten from the SC, and handed it to Trump.

I feel the Dems can take some blame.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Oh they’re far from ideal. They’re also far from the Republicans. Actively voting in congressional primaries is how we can make them into the opposition party we want.

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

To vote in a primary election, I would have to join one of the parties holding primaries. I would never join a party that supports fascism and genocide, which means no Democratic party and no Republican party. Joining one of those two is no different than signing up for the Nazi party or the KKK. I would never want to be associated with either party. If I ever join a party it will be the Green party.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You could use it to vote for Democrats not funded by AIPAC in the primaries.

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

I think you misunderstand. The majority of politicians in both parties fully support MAGA and Israel, though the Democrats perform a lot of theater about not liking MAGA while they vote in favor of MAGA every chance they get. The point is, before I would even consider joining the Democratic party, the party would have to abandon MAGA and AIPAC as a part of their platform. They would have to kick people out of the party for voting with Trump or taking money from AIPAC. Then I might join them.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 3 days ago

Democrats should have demanded the removal of most of the republican party from office via the 14th amendment. Refuse to cooperate with this illegitimate government.

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

So what about 2021 - 2022, when the Dems had the Senate, the House and the Presidency? Where was the push to codify Roe v Wade? Why didn't they put Trump in prison, pending trial? There were dozens of things they could have done when they had power. The don't want to do any of the things they SAY they want to do. They want to ask for campaign donations to fight the MAGAs but they don't actually want to fight. They're scammers.

[-] EldritchFeminity 4 points 3 days ago

100% of Dems voted in favor of Trump's first 2 picks for his cabinet, despite spending hours upon hours grilling them and talking about how unfit for the jobs they are.

It was only after they started getting outraged calls in the thousands per day compared to the usual 30 that they started voting against Trump's cabinet.

Look at Schumer and Pelosi. Or the party appointing a man practically on his deathbed over fresh blood to one of the most important positions in the party. A man who had to resign 4 months later, IIRC.

The Dems only offer up any real resistance when they're forced to by us. Otherwise, they vote no, voice a few complaints, and then go about their day like it's any other.

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[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

You talk about blaming people but that's a waste of our time. We actually want to make things better in the future, and to do that you need to look at how we got to where we are, and it's clear that we got here by corporate Democrats caving to Republican and corporate interests. That's been going on for the past 30 years. Of course the Republicans are more to blame than the democrats, but if you can't recognize that the old Washington Democrats are largely worthless sandbags, then there's no way you're going to make things better in the future. They simply lack the values that we have, they don't actually want to make life better for the average American, and that's never going to change.

If you want to ask what more the Democrats can do, I think there are a ton of good examples. They can obstruct the process in so many ways, they can have independent press conferences, they can generate a ton of PR by creating videos for Facebook and YouTube and TikTok. They can go visit prisoners held in Central America. Just go look at what the active newer generation of Democrats are doing, go look at what Bernie Sanders does, and ask yourself why we don't have hundreds of people doing that every day. Quite simply, we don't see that in large numbers because most of those people have s***** values. Most of them are out to protect their own power and their own seat and that's it.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

There will never be enough fresh blood.

Even if the democrats were all progressives and had 100% of the entire government things are too fucked to be fixed before the collapse.

Also, I vote in every primary and they always lose. Turns out we’re just a conservative country.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Only 22% of the nation voted for Trump. Many of them already regret their votes. Trump won on the apathy of the majority. Defeatism is simply fuel for that fire.

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[-] mriswith@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They're not doing anything because they are complicit. The DNC and the majority of Democrats are completely fine with fascism as long as it does not impact themselves.

It's not even a question anymore, every single House Democrat proved it recently by voting in favor of the "Take it Down" act.

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

It’s not even a question anymore, every single House Democrat proved it recently by voting in favor of the “Take it Down” act.

everyone voted for that except 2 republicans lol

this includes AOC, and i think bernie sanders, some didnt vote at all

[-] sad_detective_man 17 points 3 days ago

imagine functioning as controlled opposition while not even being controlled opposition. those desk jobs are way too fucking nice

[-] Pyr0@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

We all need to do what we can do to fight back including civil disobedience. One of the most powerful but unfortunately forgotten ways of fighting back is protesting. The powers at be don’t like it because they have no control of the information. Reddit perm banned me for being too outspoken. So here I am. Please people rise up and get loud!!!

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Absolutely. Republicans aren’t afraid of losing their seats with 5M people in the streets nationwide. We need a lot more of us to scare them into dissent.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

If you assume that Republicans will ever compromise, it makes an ass out of you and me.

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