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Only 22% of the nation voted for Trump. Many of them already regret their votes. Trump won on the apathy of the majority. Defeatism is simply fuel for that fire.
Well then he’s gonna win again because most people are apathetic and this country is doomed.
Serves me right for trying to do the right thing.
Your name is "Doomergod". You're just spewing doom for lols.
What a jerk.
I wish this was for the lols but I’m legitimately hopeless. I keep looking for an argument that this hopelessness isn’t accurate but I just get the same platitudes.
I would argue total hopelessness is inaccurate because things can change in ways we don't anticipate. The US will collapse as all empires have, and the world will become a better place, but it will be a rough transition and things will get extra fucked as climate change worsens. Many more people are working to make things better for each other than there are people working to fuck us over, they are just better organized right now.
But anyway the level of hope you feel is more likely to be dictated by whatever material reality you are experiencing. If you are actually looking for a logical argument against hopelessness in an effort to reduce it there are better ways.
This is what it has been my entire life. Since 2001 the world has been on a cyclical descent into ruin, missing every chance it had to do something, failing at ever call to action.
My personal reality is pretty awesome, though. I just want to keep them safe from the rest of the species as it descends into barbarism.
Spreading apathy through pessimistic defeatism is the right thing? In that case, I’d rather be wrong.
We got here through division and disengagement. Only unity and action will get us out.
I’ve been engaged for 25 years and we still got here anyway.
You think a constant stream of pessimism is engaging others? C’mon. You know what you’re doing.
I have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
The alternative is me drinking or shouting at traffic at it whizzes by.
Convince me there is literally any hope at all and I might stop.
Or just block me. I don't care anymore.
Not a chance. I’ll always be right here, to combat your cynicism with actionable criticism for improvement.
Fire away then. Make me believe we are not totally fucked
No offense, but I’m not trying to change your mind. I’ve been convinced you’re pretty content in your perspective for quite some time now. It’s about how your words influence others that concerns me. Most people are passively informed. If all they hear is Democrats are useless, they’re less likely to believe voting matters.
Didn’t think so. That’s how fucked we are. I’ve been trying to find a way out for months.
And if the democrats don’t want people to think they’re useless they should stop being so fucking useless.
What else should they do?
It's cute you think our fuckededness is just a matter of politics. We've painted our entire species into so many corners we have to be living in 11 dimensional space to hold them all.
And the worst part isn't the problems, it's that all the tools we have to fix the problems are broken and/or insufficient to solve them.
We are fucked on a global scale and there is no way out.
As for what the Democrats could do: Maybe don't schedule a vote for when a Senator isn't going to be around, and then don't call losing said vote a "win."
They’ll lose any simple majority votes in full attendance. They’ve only shut down supermajority votes, like the SAVE Act on Friday.
I agree the planet is fucked, and humanity’s demise is a question of when and how, and certainly not if. I don’t see a vote, a violent revolution, or quiet subservience changing that.
And now you're just as hopeless as I am. All this talk of politics is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Nah. I’m aware of ways we can slow the sinking and make for less suffering along the way. You can worry about deck chairs. Lol
Again: The tools we have to slow the sinking and limit suffering have been failing me my entire life, and that failure is accelerating.
You're wasting your time trying to bail with a dixie cup.