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[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 97 points 3 months ago

Canada has only put it off for a few years. The liberals have been in power for a long time and people were already itching for a change.

It isn't like the conservatives did poorly They turned out tones of votes, the only reason they are not in power is because the left United to keep them out, essentially decimating the other left wing parties.

The next election we have will very likely go to the conservatives when the left splits again.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There's a non-zero chance the CPC splits too. There's major infighting, with even Jason Kenney somehow being the voice of reason versus the MAGA wing of the party. https://xcancel.com/jkenney/status/1918107158035451945

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Ford goes national, party factions hard, reverse Reform Party lol, reconciles under Ford, Canada gets its Trump years, not months, after the US swings right as is tradition.

Sigh. I hate this. We are so fucked and climate and H5N1 aren’t on fucking pause.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

reconciles under Ford

Ford is one of the personae most non grata among the Maple MAGA crowd, so that's (thankfully) a hard no. A more likely scenario I think is a split back into Reform and PC, with PCs peeling off a lot of Bloc support in QC as well as CPC support in ON and Atlantic and becoming viable that way.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago

Why don’t they like him? He seems repugnant enough to me that he should be a shoe in for MAGA types.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

He isn't socially conservative, and he gets along well with Liberals (Chrystia Freeland is a close friend, for example)

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago

That’s kinda how Trump was too though.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

And their shittiest party is bending over backward to keep PP relevant.

[-] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

We need Jack Layton back…. Anyone know a good Cleric with access to Level 5 spells?

[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I absolutely love this comment. Thank you for sharing that.

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[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 68 points 3 months ago

I'm not used to being on the happy side of this meme. Feels good.

[-] Baggie@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 months ago

Ikr, Australia has some huge problems but we actually pulled off doing a good thing for once.

[-] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Labor are far more receptive to change through public pressure than the Libs. So we're off to a good start.

[-] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago

I hate to be so pessimistic but you don't align yourself with the empire, fight it's wars, depend on it for defense and trade, and get free from it. I really wish Canadians and others well. I hope your governments stand against American fascism.

But the pessimist in me just sees the capitalist controlled parties fighting for control before their inevitable slide towards their own form of fascism in alliance with the empire.

I really hope I'm wrong. Other western countries look like utopias compared to America right now. I just think the ruling class of other western countries is using nationalism to fuel its own fascism.

[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You're right of course. But I'm gonna enjoy the morning-after glow for just a day.

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I really hope I'm wrong.

You're not, historically-speaking. The only preventative measures these countries can take is to prevent people getting a controlling amount of wealth so begin with. The people currently in power are not just going to give it up; either they will shift towards fascism and/or they will try to sabotage any and all socialist movements, usually either by trying to make them social democrats instead, or they try to discredit the organizations by calling them extremists, niche, and not covering them on the newsmedia.

Right now, we're facing fascism in many countries due to the wealthy/powerful working overtime since at least Thatcher/Reagan to deregulate and make the wealthy more wealthy and specifically to make the middle class disappear so everyone will be poor.

The wealthy relies on a reserve army of labor to exploit their workers. Without desparation, workers might start asking for stuff like "rights" and "a livage wage."

Another issue is people en masse won't fight for any injustice unless it personally affects them. A big reason why is explained in the paragraph above about desparation.

Empathy is a learned skill, and capitalism actively discourages empathy just by the way it functions. Even pro-capitalist people will agree to this point, but they will phrase it as "greed is good."

[-] Kayel@aussie.zone 3 points 3 months ago

Agreed, we've put it off for a while but it's only a matter of time before the comprises and contradictions again lead us down the path to fascism.

An optimist might say it gives us more chances, but bed rest might only leave us weaker.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago

Guys I gotta say if the working class of the world doesnt unite our only options will be auth/distopian hellholes

[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 months ago

Only until the biosphere is completely incapable of supporting life, which won't take too long. So we've got that going for us, which is nice

[-] DoubleSpace@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

This near term political disaster sure is a nice break from ecocide anxiety.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Good to know Mother Nature's got them if we dont.

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

How are they supposed to unite when the working class are kept desparate with low wages and longer hours? They're too exhausted after working 40+ hours/week to inform themselves for any length of time or fight. They would rather relax with TV/movies/games/a book/etc. A general strike is damn near impossible without massive mutual aid networks forming first.

The capitalist class had all of this planned out from the get-go. We need to respond with force (a general strike; I do not condone violence). We need mass solidarity, and we are seeing that build especially after January 20th. We just need to plan well by building mutual aid networks and by directing their anger towards an actual solution. I like to direct people to Richard Wolff and his worker-coop focused idiology.

[-] prole 40 points 3 months ago

Bro, at least half of Americans are still out there like SpongeBob and Patrick, with no fucking idea that in less than three weeks, there will be no groceries on the shelves.

The amount of "blissful ignorance" in this country is out of control. People need to be shook.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

The amount of “blissful ignorance” in this country is out of control. People need to be shook.

Tell that to capitalist media.

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[-] bfg9k@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Gotta say, today was a much-needed dose of hope here in Australia. So refreshing to see our nation's leader act with dignity and empathy for people, and actually have a plan to make things better.

It feels like Dutton's campaign was nothing but 'Don't vote for Labor' instead of 'here's what we're going to do'.

[-] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago

In Canada it was a carbon copy of that. Name calling and smear campaign… and when asked what THEY would do? « Lower taxes! » …. Ok.. but how? « You’ll see!! »

… No thanks 🙂‍↔️

[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

Dear Australian, and fellow citizen of the world: you are so right, and Canada was afflicted with much of the same problem.

As such, your country is in inspiration to those of us in the United States - and the world at large.

So, yeah, I've been blasting Australian rock music. Thank you so much and have a great day!

[-] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 25 points 3 months ago

So you've won. Here's how you keep it: first, pass strict laws against publishing misinformation and shut down shitspreaders HARD. Do everything possible to put more money in voter's pockets and remind them constantly of that fact. Compare everything the right says and does to Trump. Do the opposite of whatever the US does. Work to remove any leverage the US has over your countries and help each other out.

Full disclosure: I'm a USian. Our recovery depends on the right failing as hard as possible, here and in your countries. There is an international far right movement at work, don't get comfortable and don't think you are safe. Identify their sources, causes, support structures and propaganda channels and shut them down before they can take root. Good luck and godspeed!

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[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

My first thought was "oh thank God Canada will be safe for refugees to run to" not even particularly for myself, but for a lot of my friends.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I sure hope so. My attempts so far to leave this shit hole for Canada have been completely fruitless.

[-] Elkot@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

So...when do we build a wall around the US, they want to isolate themselves so let's help

[-] gabbath@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I mean, the wall is still being built so just wait it out. That way the US will pay for it.

[-] jared@mander.xyz 9 points 3 months ago
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[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago
[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

You are not alone. It seems like the UK is eager to join you

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago

I am not so confident it will last. They have a delay atleast

[-] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Australia is the source of many of the USAs problems. This won't last long, or have any positive changes.

[-] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

As an American I'm very confused by this statement.

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[-] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Ahhhhh. While I do hate that man I wouldn't blame Australia for him. Complete bastards can arise from every nationality.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Similarly, Musk is a Canadian citizen (unfortunately)

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

He’s South African who holds a dual citizenship. And Canada are putting his citizenship on a bill with a petition to have it taken away for potential of siding with and motivating someone who is committing war crimes against the safety of Canada.

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[-] andyburke@fedia.io 8 points 3 months ago

I hear you, but as someone who has seen my country torn apart by Murdoch and his propaganda empire, I think the OC's statement is far more fair than the up/down votes they have received. 🤷‍♂️

[-] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Lumping demographics together because of the actions of a few or just one guy isn't something I'm comfortable with.

Hell Canada would like to see our country collapse because our senile orange criminal jackass president decided to brain fart talk about annexing them and I rather not be lumped into that crowd.

I miss being on friendly terms with our allies and I don't want to think ill of their peoples.

[-] moody@lemmings.world 6 points 3 months ago

We don't want to see the US collapse. We want to punish the aggression against us. If Trump were to disappear overnight, and efforts were made to repair the relationship between our countries, I think it would relatively quickly go back to a semblance of normality, but surely there would always be some hesitation, knowing that all it takes to fuck it all up is another bad election which could happen at any time.

We don't hate America, we hate the current state of it. In the same way that sanctions work against governments that are doing awful things, we're all, as a collective, putting efforts into trying to make our aggressors face consequences.

[-] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I hope Canada takes every necessary step to ensure its people remain safe and prosper.

Please remember that the American agressors are a minority and literal hundreds of millions of United States residents would rather just be on good terms with Canada.

I personally wish my countrymen would stop being so racist against Mexico.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 3 months ago

Hell Canada sounds terrifying.

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[-] Obituarykidney@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

He owns our media too, we just don't believe everything we're told at face value it seems. The media was very much in favour of the liberals (our right wing party) this election and it's shaping up to be their worst ever result in an election.

Not to mention he gave up his Australian citizenship in 1985. 40 years ago.

[-] MrNobody@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

Nah fuck that noise. Dude might be Australian but he went to the country that really encouraged his vileness. He didn't learn all that shite in oz. Same thing is happening with musk, not born in the US but goes there because thats the home of the greed and power hunger. All the worlds rich and vile go there or someplace as vile.

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