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True...WOMENS ONLY COMMUNITY (lazysoci.al)

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Hi those from all! We're a women's only community, men we appreciate your interest but please do not comment 😊

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[-] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 45 points 5 months ago

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[-] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 20 points 5 months ago

Thanks didn't realise it was on all, I've added to the post that it's a women only community

[-] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

(some dude comments:) I've seen your posts in my feed a couple of times already, and I'm positively surprised there're not many troublemakers who get stirred wrong by someone asking for a safe space. The big reminder that it's a comm for women is, sadly, a goog idea for now on. Lemmy doesn't yet have a functionality to flag it like this, only to make a privated space with user vetting, that won't fly as high as an open community with posts in lemmy's Hot. Anyway, cheers, and please go on.

[-] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 10 points 5 months ago

Thanks for your support! We're managing it for now, supportive men just get politely asked to not post again, troublemakers get banned. The nice thing is so many men have been really, really supportive of us which we really appreciate

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 16 points 5 months ago

I want to add, there's no reason not to indulge in reasonable self-care, and everyone should be able to, within their means. No one should be unable. The skin is the largest body organ and our first barrier defense against illness and infection.

That said, we also need to take responsibility for our own ability to love ourselves, even if that means saying we love us until we get it. Because this isn't new, and we do often do it to ourselves, probably because of no small degree of conditioning. I watched a short (~40 minutes?) doco on Elizabeth I, she had a sweet tooth, a fear of dentists (who wouldn't, in those days?), and so rotten teeth. Because of the (not altogether true) hype of poets and paramours (which is a whole other ball of wax), women with perfectly (?!) good teeth began to blacken their teeth, to imitate Elizabeth.

TL;dr Our wounding isn't always our fault; our healing is our responsibility.

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 5 months ago

Sounds great. I still shave in summer, but that's because it's cooler. Our fur should thin, in hot weather. ;) I've switched to shea moisture soap but I like the goat milk when I can get it. I mostly use the "no poo" method for my hair, sometimes with a little honey in the acv rinse, sometimes I use Shea Moisture conditioner, but I mostly do coconut oil with a "do rag" for a deeper conditioning.

No makeup. Occasional moisturizer, non-petrol. Witch hazel and mud mask for pores, sometimes steam with coconut oil for deep moisture.

Mineral salt in water for d/o. I'll have to try the alum and other tips you mentioned. Thanks so much!

[-] dandelion 3 points 5 months ago

Thank you for your insightful comment, but this community is for women only.

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[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I worked in a gift shop, one thing we sold was lotions/creams and had testers on the counter. Then one day the boss brought in some magnifying mirrors, 3x on one side and 10x on the other. We set up one on the counter. Every woman looked into that 10x mirror and their face fell. Then they'd sigh and grab a tester and pat cream into their face. We sold a lot of cream and lotion, and all the mirrors! But I hated it. I was glad when they were gone, because I didn't like having a bunch of depressed customers. And I certainly didn't want to keep catching glimpses of my own face in there! Every tiny crevice looked enormous, like I was 100 years old.

[-] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 6 points 5 months ago

Oh lord that says it all!

[-] dandelion 6 points 5 months ago

I spent so much time in front of mirrors like that as a teenager, obsessing about every black-head and pimple, etc.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 27 points 5 months ago

The more "ugly" and "fat" they can make you feel, the more money they can snatch from you!

And they very quickly change the beauty standard goal posts.

It's a never-ending carousel of horror! 🎠🔥

[-] phoenixarise@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

I can believe this. Once I started appreciating myself, I didn’t need to buy so many potions, makeup, or any other weird thing that men think we need.

[-] Bunbury@feddit.nl 12 points 5 months ago

Off of the top of my head:

Makeup,
(Some types of ) clothing,
the diet industry - not saying hating your body is the only reason for a diet, but I suspect it’s 50-80% of the industry anyway
some parts of workout industry
some types of self-help books
cosmetic surgery

[-] Strawberry 5 points 5 months ago

The diet industry is definitely invested in having women hate our bodies. An actual lifelong healthy diet does not require their products

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 9 points 5 months ago

I'd say it's equally true of most industries.

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 6 points 5 months ago

Thanks I thought it was clear from the fact that we're women only. I've edited it now

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 7 points 5 months ago

Thanks non binary is included and I've put trans+

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 7 points 5 months ago

Yes I know. In the UK we put trans+ for all genders under the trans umbrella

[-] dandelion 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

bigender and agender people who identify or live as women are permitted to post here. This space is intended to be a women-only space, not a transphobic or gatekeeping one. Cis men and binary trans men who don't identify as women are not women and don't belong. Bigender people who are men and women are welcome if they choose.

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] dandelion 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sorry, I'm not entirely following your statement, who do you consider "women who are men"?

EDIT: I assume you're talking about this post's body text:

Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (eg non binary) is welcome

Are you just suggesting the edit made to the sidebar be made to this body text as well, i.e. that instead the body text says:

Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Any woman-identified person under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is welcome.

Not all bigender, agender, or non-binary people identify as women, being listed as examples of trans people who might identify as women and are welcome is not necessary for their inclusion, and the language before is actually more inclusive by stating "anyone under the trans umbrella is welcome". I'm not sure what problem is being solved here.

EDIT2: After thinking on it, I guess the idea is that by explicitly listing that non-binary, agender, and bigender people who identify as women can participate might it make some people feel more welcome.

I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with this, but the rule should be read as general, and we don't want to give the impression that only those kinds of trans people that are listed as examples can participate.

A trans man like Leslie Feinberg would also be welcome despite being much closer to a binary trans man, for example.

The rules are more like guidelines than narrowly applied laws, and I just want to avoid implying any variant that isn't listed is somehow not as welcome, the guideline is meant to work that way (and variants not listed are just as welcome as those that are).

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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Rule 1 says "any woman-identified person" is welcome here -- can you explain how this includes trans men? But I could see bigender people feeling unwelcome from "men ... please do not comment" and that'd be bad.

Edit: nvm, just realized that rule 1 was changed.

[-] dandelion 5 points 5 months ago

I know it can be hard to understand, but trans men sometimes remain members of lesbian and women communities even after transition and may even struggle with their identity this way. Reading Stone Butch Blues might provide some insight, as Leslie Feinberg was precisely one of those trans men who struggled with giving up their identity as a lesbian, and detransitioned and remained on that fuzzy line between man and lesbian.

This space isn't here to exclude women like that, even if they are men. They have lived experience as women, they live as women, they might identify as women, and so on.

Binary trans men who don't feel the need to continue identifying as women and who no longer have lived experience as women may see themselves as men and not participate based on that rule, but it's not because they are trans but because they are men who do not feel a need to identify and remain in a community of women.

Bigender people and nonbinary people who identify as women are likewise free to post and comment here. The rule is meant to create a safe space for women, and we believe people who identify and live as women do not contradict this.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

The rules should be updated to include trans-men then, I think -- the rule seems very clearly worded to exclude trans men.

[-] dandelion 8 points 5 months ago

Any woman-identified person under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is welcome.

^ this wording of the rule includes trans men who still identify as women. To be honest it hasn't been a problem, the rules are worded to allow them to choose whether they identify still as women or not and whether to participate here. Binary trans men who don't identify as women are men, and we would handle that on a case-by-case basis depending on the context. (Trans experiences and identities are complicated. If a trans man feels the need to discuss their life before transition when they lived as a woman, we aren't going to prevent them from commenting, this is largely a space for people who are treated as women in society afterall.)

To be honest the rule is mostly applied to cis men who ignore the rules and frequently comment here and sometimes get aggressive. We don't tolerate transphobia and are not trans-exclusive.

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