She will run, and the DNC will sheepdog her like they did Bernie, keeping everyone herded up in the party until they realized they got fucked over, again.
Bernie’s being doing some rallies with her recently. If I were to guess, Bernie’s not going to run for POTUS again, he’s going to endorse her.
Bernie could get the VP nod.
If we could stop floating ancient and/or billionaires, that would be greeeaat.
Bernie is the one exception though. The only exception.
I love Bernie and I would vote for him if he were on the ballot, but he has no business being president at this age. I think he recognizes that and that's why he's actively helping the new generation.
he has no business being president at this age
Things we can say now that biden is no longer running.
You ain't wrong, but I said the same thing about him. Almost exactly. The biggest difference is I wouldn't have to hold my nose to vote for Bernie, I genuinely like the dude and my policy quibbles come down to quibbles.
Rant incoming.
Hell, the DNC may run Bernie now that he's old enough. Or they'll pick a cop to lead the ticket where their side doesn't like or trust the police. Anything as long as they don't win. Their last big winners were Obama and Clinton, both of which were in their 40s. Can't make that fucking mistake again I guess. Even on the R side it's been middle aged people rather than geriatric motherfuckers since Reagan until Trump. When the fuck did someone decide that you can't be president unless you were a billion years old? I want someone who represents the future and wants to take us there, not someone whose slogan is "I've seen the future, and it's a better past....which I also saw because I lived through all of human history".
Personally, I prefer Bernie as the main - we need as many years of progressive presidencies as possible. Having 8 of them with him as the lead, and another 8 of AOC, would be a good start to reforming America. Odds are, though, we will simply have AOC replace Bernie during one of his terms. VPs are meant to be backups for when a president isn't able to hold office anymore.
I would prefer Bernie as the main too, but given his age and heart condition, that's not viable. :(
I have the impression the thing that determines an election, isn't age nor ability, but the possession of a lively personality. I would say that Bernie has enough personality to bury Krasnov.
And both she and liberals will still keep defending the party after it.
Yes, she's never questioned the party leadership or directions. :rolls eyes:
She'd be better in party leadership and not pursue the Presidency (yet).
I want AOC to be President, but I think Americans are too sexist to vote for her. We're a callow, superficial people.
We also thought Americans were too racist to vote for a black man.
IMHO, Americans will always prioritize swagger, the ability to clearly call bullshit, and the ability to generate hype and a sense of connection.
This is why Americans vote for celebrities and actors.
I kind of see where you're coming from - there's an imperfect fungibility of bigotry. If you're bigoted against one kind of person, it's not hard to make you bigoted against another, it just takes a little propaganda.
But it's not a secret that young men broke for Trump by over 10%. I attribute that swing to the manosphere podcast circuit working round the clock this past election, and Elon Musk purchasing voters with his "sweepstakes."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Exit_poll
2020, Biden: 81,283,501 2020, Trump: 74,223,975
2024, Harris: 75,017,613 2024, Trump: 77,302,580
These numbers suggest that not only did more people vote for Trump than in 2020, even after living through the fucked COVID response, even after seeing January 6, more people chose not to vote at all. And it's a 50/50 split: Trump converted 3 million votes from Biden, and 3 million more just stayed home.
Not sure about that. I agree americans love the celerberties but Think women's rights vs black men right to vote. Black men had more rights before women for like 50 years. Its gonna be a bit for the old folks to die off and even then we got those Tate trolls trying to keep status quo.
Also Obama wasn't even "full black" and that was too much for some people. Probably sooner see a Hispanic dude than a full black guy or a woman. Its gonna be like that scene in head of state with people running to polls to stop Chris rock.
Maybe, but women do win places that have a lot of dumb misogynists. I think the ability to connect with voters, or voters wanting to be associated with someone interesting and cool, has a lot of power.
And at the end of the day, if you look at the folks who are right of center in the US, they’ve elected twice as many women as people of color.
This line is coming from neoliberals who can't understand why Hillary and Kamala lost and are blaming sexism because they can't come to terms with the fact that the American people are turning away from the establishment in its entirety.
Yes, sexism is a problem in America. No, it is not why liberals are losing.
American people are turning away from the establishment in its entirety.
Biden won 2020, and I think it's safe to say he was fairly establishment.
Edit: And as much as we want to forget, Trump was President of the United States from 2016 to 2020. He IS an establishment candidate. He wants the establishment of an authoritarian fascist regime that unlawfully, violently silences his critics and imprisons or murders the minority group of his choosing.
Call me what you like, but I think you have more in common with me than with MAGA. And if your IFF is malfunctioning, well, I hope you get it checked out soon.
Biden won 2020, and I think it's safe to say he was fairly establishment.
Barely, and only coming out of Trump's first term that had many people looking for a "return to normal." The Democratic party will never succeed running another Biden every election. The people can see that the status quo is not working for them, and they're fed up with corporate dems telling them that we need to preserve the status quo at all costs.
Call me what you like, but I think you have more in common with me than with MAGA. And if your IFF is malfunctioning, well, I hope you get it checked out soon.
I didn't call you anything. I can see that you're my friend, but the establishment and all the politicians who fight to preserve it instead of fighting the fascists in power are foes, and the sooner you realize that the sooner we can work together to change it.
I want AOC to be president, and think that the "Americans are too sexist to vote for a woman (now that a progressive woman might run)" argument is being used to hold back all women in order to hold back one woman.
I also want AOC to be president....starting now.
I want Tim as president and AOC as vice since I dont want to risk the bunch of idiots who wont vote for a woman fucking everything up again.
Kamala's campaign wasn't fucked because she's a woman, it was fucked because she's a careerist who doesn't believe in anything.
Two things can be true.
I know a lot of women who didn't vote for her because she was a woman. Shit is crazy to me, but that doesn't mean it's not the reality. I'm sure there are a shocking number of people who didn't vote for her because she's a woman.
Yeah, conservative women are a really odd breed. I live in the Deep South, which means I get to actually interact with all of the hardline conservatives on a regular basis. I have 100% heard the “I just think a woman’s place is to follow her husband” rhetoric from women.
Those will vote Republican anyway...
I highly doubt that the number of people who claim the fact that she's a woman is the reason they didn't vote for her is anywhere near high enough to swing the election. Even if it were, those people are not worth conceding to. There are far more people for whom her gender is irrelevant but did not vote for her due to a myriad of other reasons than there are brain-dead morons who think women just aren't cut out to be president.
As a person who has a lived experience as a woman in this country I wholeheartedly disagree.
This is the ideal progressive ticket, IMO. It's not as scary for the mid as having a female President (grow the fuck up, guys), but she'll still be able to provide her support and opinion far above her current station. People seem to really like Tim, which is great.
But in the end none of it matters. They're all historically pro-Israel and people don't forget that. They've begun to change their tune, but only just now. It seems disingenuous to get votes, which just seems...hollow.
I'd rather she primary Schumer.
That’s probably the more impactful move if she were to win.
Aoc 2028
It seems to me that the US is unfortunately too “-ist” to elect AOC.
AOC Pres with Tim Walz VP would be great
"Swerves?" WTF
The verb choice of headlines is really a plague.
Slam, blast, hit, rip, and now swerve. Remarkable journalism.
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