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[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago

Regulations, and safety laws, and labor laws are WRITTEN IN BLOOD. People have literally died for every regulation we have on the books, it’s WHY the laws were written

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[-] toadjones79@lemm.ee 93 points 6 days ago

Bleach, actually. A small amount of bleach added to spoiled milk makes it taste brand new. The government actually suggested this in a few countries for a while.

Plaster in flour was common enough that after the miller, the middle men, and then the baker all added a cut, there were loaves being sold with less than 20% flour in them. The result was mass malnutrition.

Also, and this is a spicy one but backed by basic economics, regulations are a required element to capitalism. The notion that deregulation is pro capitalism is a misinterpretation of the idea that markets are self regulating. A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations. All our current economic woes are the result of straying away from proven economic theory (mostly deregulation) to the right allowing the corruption of the marketplace and emergence of a strong oligarchy.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago

A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations.

We've had numerous laws precisely because companies couldn't play fair, and made things worse for all involved. The government didn't pass laws against company towns, scrip, and predatory pricing because they decided to ban things for fun.

[-] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 20 points 6 days ago

is plaster bread low calorie

[-] Ramenator@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Technically. The constipation would probably balance out the weight loss though

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Shitting bricks.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

That second paragraph is a pretty concise explanation on why ancaps and their ideas are stupid.

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations.

And the truth is that the oligarchs, the established players in the game of capitalism, do not want a free market. They want a market with the illusion of freedom. A free market like the one you describe is, in fact, a true free market. Because then they have to actually compete with new players. Players who don't come from the same backgrounds as the established players. Who may have different beliefs, who might not have the same skin color. Who may have a superior product or service to one or more of the established players. Who are free to sit at the same tables as oligarchs and take up space because their government gives them the power to do so. De regulation gives the illusion of a market being free, by making it so that if you want to be a new player in the game, you can, but unless you pay obeisance to the top players, you're not getting very far. Plus the top players will buy you out, which is essentially them bribing you to walk away from the table.

[-] toadjones79@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's why an oligarchy is NOT the same thing as capitalism. You cannot have a free market if an oligarchy exists. Additionally, the four foundational principles of capitalism are:

  1. The right to own property and work for your own well being.
  2. The right to own the profits of your labors, after modest taxation.
  3. Laws and regulations to prevent corruption.
  4. The enforcement of those laws and regulations.

Edit: wow, the spelling errors sure make that seem crazy as hell. Fixed.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 4 points 5 days ago

I'll go extra-spicy and point out that there's no such thing as "ownership" as we know it without government. Legal-wonkishly, ownership is enforceable, transferrable, exclusive title to property. I can "own" land that I'm only physically present on for a few days per year because my name is on a piece of paper in a file cabinet in a government office, and it's backed up by a court system and police force that's constituted and willing to enforce my title.

I just mention it because a lot of the deregulation whiners are the same people as the "taxation is theft" whiners.

[-] toadjones79@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Oh boy. You struck gold here.

The US Constitution is the highest form of trade pact. That is all the federal government exists for, is to facilitate trade. Catching murderers, building roads, investing in education, stopping infectious disease... All there to keep us working, buying, and trading goods and services because without that whole segments of society starve and start wars.

I love how dumb the anti-taxation argument is because they have zero idea that they wouldn't have any money, or jobs, without the government doing what it does with all that tax money.

Also, never forget that when you work for a wage you are selling your time. Looking at it that way changes how you feel about your life and job. It is 100% a choice that you make because the trade is worth the pay. If not, make yourself more valuable and get out. (It would take too long to explain how that works with disabilities and government aid).

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[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Corporations wont let us have Medicare for All - why? Why do they ALL lobby so hard against it? It would make their costs cheaper, right? They wouldn't have to pay for our health insurance. Plus we could get medicines so we can be at work more instead of home sick or spreading sickness at work. So it must not be cheaper in some way for them to have Medicare for All - right? Why do they think it would be more expensive for THEM if we all had public health care?

Because that would detect cancer (and toxins) and allow us to class action sue companies for them. Can't sue if it was never detected. Thats why they find carcinogens and lead in kids’ products so much - their products dont have more lead in them, but kids all can be on Medicaid and that catches it. Flint, MI, water poisoning was detected by a kid on Medicaid.

They don't want us to all have healthcare because that is public science and it will absolutely detect what theyve been lying and poisoning us with. It would probably destroy all the big companies like Nestle, Johnson&Johnson, Colgate, etc...

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Public healthcare also removes one of the few leashes they have on workers to keep them in line. My Father in law used to work at a local retail chain in my area, and the pay was straight dogshit, but the health insurance was phenomenal. It kept many workers from leaving for better paying jobs.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 6 days ago
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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 38 points 6 days ago

What is so incredible is that we are living st a time with such massive food surplus that it would blow the mind of anyone living in the past... but they will let all of it go to waste and just add bullshit to the food just because they can...

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 5 days ago

The absolute surplus afforded to us by modern farming and then the waste of so much of it will never cease to piss me off and will likely piss me off more in the future when we lose it to climate change.

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[-] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

And make it unaffordable, because fuck it why not

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 5 days ago

Two for one deal of fucking everyone over.

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[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Most US foods produced under their 'regulations' are forbidden in EU.
And for good reason.

[-] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Now it'll be 10x worse. Just don't eat here and don't buy food from USA. I say this as an American. We are fucked.

[-] prole 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That's just the free market working as intended. Collateral damage.

Maybe people should do research on the available milk brands before giving it to their children if they didn't want them to drink bleach.

Edit: I tried to resist adding the "/s," but we live in crazy (stupid) times, so...

[-] frezik@midwest.social 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The Free Market (holy be thy name) gives you the choice between $1/bottle for milk with chalk and bleach, or $10/bottle for one with less chalk and bleach. If you want one without chalk and bleach, you'll need to find your own cow.

Also, the cows all have birth defects and need uranium-powered antibiotics to stay alive.

Now, let us open our song books to number 34: "Praise Hayek and His Perfect Mustache".

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[-] stelelor@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 days ago

Excellent idea! I'm sure that information will be readily available from independent trustworthy sources that are not the government! Failing that, I always have my trusty mass spectrometer in my kitchen and I run all my foods through it just in case!

[-] logos@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago

With no regulation there will be no other milk brands.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Maybe people should do research on the available milk brands before giving it to their children if they didn’t want them to drink bleach.

Without regulation, the company could also just lie. Nothing would dictate that they would have to tell the truth about their product.

[-] prole 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well that's why you need to do your own research. As in looking at products under microscopes, doing physics equations, etc.

If you're not an expert on every product you purchase (and the science behind them), well then that's on you and your kid deserves getting lead poisoning from his band-aids.

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[-] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 9 points 5 days ago

And if we're all killed, who will the big companies get money from?

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

They will market safe food as a new product and charge you more for food that wont kill you.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Corporations wont let us have Medicare for All - why? Why do they ALL lobby so hard against it? It would make their costs cheaper, right? They wouldn’t have to pay for our health insurance. Plus we could get medicines so we can be at work more instead of home sick or spreading sickness at work. So it must not be cheaper in some way for them to have Medicare for All - right? Why do they think it would be more expensive for THEM if we all had public health care?

Because that would detect cancer (and toxins) and allow us to class action sue companies for them. Can’t sue if it was never detected. Thats why they find carcinogens and lead in kids’ products so much - their products dont have more lead in them, but kids all can be on Medicaid and that catches it. Flint, MI, water poisoning was detected by a kid on Medicaid.

They don’t want us to all have healthcare because that is public science and it will absolutely detect what theyve been lying and poisoning us with. It would probably destroy all the big companies like Nestle, Johnson&Johnson, Colgate, etc…

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 35 points 6 days ago

This is true, but it's important to remember that some regulations were not written in blood, but instead in racism - see R1-zoning as one of the most significant examples.

Regulations are just tools, really. They can evidently be used for good, and should be used for good, but some are being used for bad and should be reformed.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Rivers full of industrial waste used to catch on fire, bosses used to lock workers in and let them die in fires(triangle shirtwaist fire),school was only for the wealthy, kids used to work, companies used to poison people en masse and deny it with no consequences(radium girls) work was 12 hours a day 7 days a week(people literally died to change this and trump people voted for this to happen again

[-] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

most regulations exist because corporations suck.

Some exist simply to screw people over or charge them money for something they shouldn't have in the first place.

See: Regulations around building structures on private property.

Maybe I'm alone in this one but I don't think I should need to get the cities approval or pay them a licensing fee to build a shed or a tree house in private property. They can lick my sweaty taint for all I care.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

See: Regulations around building structures on private property.

Even those are based on people doing it wrong in the past and endangering themselves and others.

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