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In 2025, the federal minimum wage is officially a “poverty wage.” The annual earnings of a single adult working full-time, year-round at $7.25 an hour now fall below the poverty threshold of $15,650 (established by the Department of Health and Human Services guidelines). The limitations of how the federal government calculates poverty understate how far the minimum wage is from economic security for workers and their families.

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[-] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Where does that threshold come from though? Like is it adjusted accordingly with inflation or is it just a made up number from 1993?

Because seeing the effects of the tariffs this number should've doubled in the past months.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago

Raising minimum wage and housing would be an easy political platform to stand on but, of course, politicians are beholden to the rich.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It would be an easy platform for democrats to stand on if they hadn't thrown away all of their credibility on the matter.

[-] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 105 points 2 days ago

The federal poverty standard is horribly low. Like you're still on the brink of homeless at twice that wage.

[-] jecxjo@midwest.social 30 points 2 days ago

I always liked the definition of financially stable to be at a state where you can weather two major life events at the same time and not be devastating. Replace a vehicle and pay your max out of pocket for health insurance at the same time.

What we find is that so many of us are one bad day away from doom.

[-] obscureprodigy@pawb.social 138 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

$7.25 has been poverty wages for over a decade.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 89 points 2 days ago

I'm kind of more shocked at $16,000 a year is considered above poverty.

[-] SCmSTR 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Woah 16k gross? That's wild.

Maybe if rent was... Checks notes $395 a month.

Then you'd have $9,500 a year, so $790 a month to spend on everything else. Let's say you then buy only flour for sustenance.... AI said $27 per month to eat just flour.

Which leaves you with $763 a month for entertainment.

What are these people even complaining about?

Maybe don't eat golden sushi and crack cocaine for every meal Jesus

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[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 68 points 2 days ago

The poverty line was historically measured simply by multiplying the USDA's cheapest food plan for a household to buy groceries with adequate nutrition, and multiplying by 3.

Then, in the intervening 6 decades or so, food inflation has gone up significantly slower than housing inflation, to where that simple assumption of "barely enough to eat, times 3" began systematically understating actual poverty.

Today, feeding the reference family of 4 (2 adults 20-50, 1 kid aged 6-8, 1 aged 9-11) costs $996.20 per month (as of March 2025). That's basically $12,000 per year, so the poverty line for a family of 4 is $32,150 (updated every January with September data).

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 26 points 2 days ago

So cost of rent/mortgage is excluded.
Then the state provides a shelter, right?

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[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 2 days ago

The numbers are all made up, and they've not kept track with inflation or the economy in a long time. Things like "minimum wage" simply lingered to allow those better off that sometimes have a conscience to sleep at night, thinking there is a system in place for the less fortunate. Our Federal government has been failing us longer than Mango Mussolini's presence, he is simply baring and accelerating the asshattery.

[-] MichaelScotch@lemmy.world 98 points 3 days ago

That’s been a poverty wage for at least 15 years.

Yeah, the “$15 minimum wage” conversation has been going on for so long that the actual number adjusted for inflation would be well into the mid $20 range. IIRC, it would currently land somewhere around $24.75 per hour.

And if the idea of a $24.75 minimum wage makes you balk, maybe you should consider how little you’re being paid for the work you do, when compared to what the minimum wage used to cover. It used to cover enough for a single full time worker to afford housing, utilities, food, and a car. If you’re struggling to do that and you’re making in the mid $20’s, then congrats you know how it felt to be paid minimum wage when it was introduced.

[-] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

A living wage in #Arkansas, one of the cheapest/poorest states is between $22 and $23 per hour.

Democrats won't, but they could campaign on 30$/hr (25$/hr tipped), and then be "reasonable" and "negotiate" down to passing a living federal wage based on the cheapest/poorest state, adjusted each year on labor day to ensure it is a living wage. (It would still exceed 15$/hr.)

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Trump disbands DHHS

No more poverty!

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 2 days ago

Poverty doesn't exist if you don't define meterics for it.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

That’s exactly the point.

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago
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[-] bdjukeemgood@lemm.ee 68 points 3 days ago

$15k a year??? That wouldn’t even cover my food let alone a shitty hotel room. Anything below $50k as a single earner is deep in poverty.

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