Bazzite has a very simple process for installing software that isn't on Flatpak: You spin up a virtual machine running a better distro and install it there
As a Bazzite fan, lmao. True
yeah it's rpm-ostree install <pkg>
what's the big deal
Bazzite docs repeatedly say 'do not do that, it will lead to system instability as we update and improve the feature set of our custom rpm-ostree that is the backbone and fundamental core of what Bazzite is.'
It is supposed to be a static, locked down, readonly core OS, just like SteamOS.
Its just based on fedora instead of arch, and has a bunch of other customizations and tweaks and preconfigured apps and helper tools.
fair point
https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/rpm-ostree/
so you have to be careful what you add to your base; preferably just self-contained tools that will not interfere with the stability of the system, use distrobox or other container to create larger more sophisticated environments
i used it for an icon theme, amd gpu info tool, android cli tools. they all come from the fedora repos so play nice with the base and i haven't run into update issues mentioned in the info page
it's also very easy to rpm-ostree reset if you do, so it has that safety net
Bazzite is the better distro because you install things in a distrobox. Muck around, break things in there, but your main distro stays safe, secure and stable.
Until the keys change. And you spend forever wondering why it updates every day only to realize it was the same update over and over and over, and the only way they announce they broke things is a GitHub issue.
I love Bazzite, daily it on my gaming PC. But imutable distros do have challenges, and installing non-standard software is defintlately one of them.
Until the keys change. And you spend forever wondering why it updates every day only to realize it was the same update over and over and over, and the only way they announce they broke things is a GitHub issue.
Keys for what? Bazzite? When did this happen?
Yes, this did happen, but also, they fixed it, and owned up to and totally explained their mistake.
I dunno, I fixed it at the time because I saw the post but I had to go digging a bit. I think they could have done a better job of disseminating that information wider.
I don't disagree with you that they could have better publicized it.
I think the project got massively more popular more rapidly than the devs expected... and coder type people are rarely also PR type people at the same time.
Bazzite has a very simple process for installing software that isn’t on Flatpak: You spin up a virtual machine running a better distro and install it there
Seems like someone didn't bother reading any of the documentation... There are like 4 alternative ways to do it, including using apt (in a distrobox).
This made me lol today, thank you
I love bazzite for handheld consoles but before I install it on my desktop there needs to be version based on ordinary 'non-immutable' fedora kde. That being said, immutable distros are more stable
What's your problem with the image based OS?
If there's really anything you need, you can layer it or build your own image quite easily.
Unlikely to happen. Not only is all their build tooling etc. made for immutable distros (and they have a lot of other ones besides Bazzite), but it would also mean throwing away the biggest advantages for little gain.
I've been using it on my laptop for over 6 months now and it has been fantastic.
I mean, if you're really hardcore, you can build your own immutable distro image using the distro you want... but that's way above my paygrade. I don't think it's that difficult, just something I have no intention of learning.
its in the ubuntu or debian toolbox. distrobox is pretty freaking awesome.
yt-dlp AND btop isnt on the default app store on Bazzite. Im sure theres a way to get them installed, but it was rather annoying playing my game, watching a video on the side, finding a video that looks worth keeping, and i cant download it
yt-dlp works just fine for me on bazzite. I think I just use the app image? I even made an alias for it in my bashrc file so I only need to type "yt".
Some other tips: play around with BoxBuddy (distrobox) for a bit if you haven't yet.
You can use apt if you want, just create a Debian distrobox. BoxBuddy allows you to easily create shortcuts to apps installed in distroboxes to run them directly on your host system. So once you create it you never have to mess with the box again if you don't want to.
I came from EndeavourOS, so I just made an Arch distrobox that I can use to get packages from the AUR.
"ujust update" (or the bazzite system updater thing) command will update all of your distrobox images (and any apps installed on them) as part of the process. And if you mess something up, or decide you don't want it, you just delete the distrobox.
It's actually pretty easy, and I think it's cool that your distro doesn't really matter anymore.
So I realize this is a meme community but why not, its on topic:
... How is one supposed to install say, I2P, I2PD ... on Bazzite?
I have tried the flatpak but it doesn't work properly because it only installs at the user level via the app store/flatpak... not the system level.
I have tried to figure out how to set it up in a distro box and am apparently too stupid to figure this out.
I am also apparently too stupid to figure out which of the like 8 different kinds of ports I2P uses for one thing or another... I actually need to forward in my router.
help plz
Yes, I have read the wiki.
As I said, flatpak no worky because you don't have a system level install option.
Flatseal might help, but I do not know what I'd have to custom configure.
Ujust has no helper commands for i2p.
Homebrew might help for setting up the daemon, but i wouldn't know how to connect it properly to a firefox or librewolf container tab, within bazzite.
... Quadlet.
Ok. This didn't exist the last time I looked at the wiki a couple months ago, goddamnit.
I2P does have a docker set up guide... this might actually work, if it can direcrtly fuck with bazzite's systemctl.
That being said: I have never use cli docker before so... wheee!
Uh other than that:
Distrobox is basically a very fancy docker container... maybe if I set up a whole distro, with I2P, and its own version of ffox, lwolf... that would work?
...afaik there is no official i2p appimage, and even if there was, its containerized, same problem as a flatpak.
... and finally, rpm ostree, the big no no... yeah, there is no official .rpm for i2p.
... I... guess... i could set up vanilla fedora... in distrobox... and try to compile it from source... and then... either install that rpm in the fedora-distrobox... or... bazzite itself?
... its mid night, im going to bed rofl.
What about java? I saw on the website that they provide java program.
Bazzite does not come with java.
As... far as I am aware... you cannot install Java via flatpak or appimage or any other methods Bazzite says are safe to install things by/with.
To install java, in Fedora, you are told to use dnf, but Bazzite has disabled dnf because they use rpm-ostree to maintain a controlled and static core os.
To install java using rpm-ostree would likely lead to dependency conflict hell, and destabilize Bazzite... because the entire point of Bazzite is to enforce specific rpm-ostree build recipes, to provide maximum stability for officially supported stuff.
You could potentially set up distrobox container, set up java there, install i2p in the container... but that container is isolated from messing with systemctl, which i2p must do (as far as I can tell?) to actually function properly... so this also seems like it would not work.
Can you experiment and see if rpm-ostree will lead to destabilization? If nothing else works this is IMO your best shot other than building from source to use in rpm-ostree.
I can... and I have... and this has resulted in destabilzation.
... This is why I am asking for help, if anyone has figured this out... and why I am not asking for permission to continue to flail about ineffectively.
As far as I can tell, as ludicrous as it seems... setting up a distrobox with an actual mainline fedora build, then configuring it as a dev enviroment, then building an rpm package for i2p, from source inside this container... and then installing that static rpm into actual Bazzite OS...
That would probably at least be more stable for Bazzite as a whole, just feeding it a single, extra, static package, as compared to source dependency hell...
But I have no idea if I2P would... actually compile correctly... and... work.
Although, I have managed to build Godot, a few versions ago, doing this, just as an experiment... and it ... seemed to... mostly work?
????
There were lots of fun unique error messages in the console that just did not exist anywhere else online.
Isn't i2p in the repos?
There is an unofficial build in COPR, maintained by... some random person? ...but nothing mainline.
And its instructions tell you to install with dnf, which i think at this point is literally disabled by Bazzite... because they rely on rpm-ostree, and if you muck about with rpm-ostree, you can run into dependency conflict hell.
But at the same time, i2p needs to be able to directly mess with systemctl... which... as far as I can tell... can't be done by having i2p installed in some kind of container... because the entire point of a container... is to isolate the core system.
I don't technically consider container images as virtual machines proper....but what do I know.
Hey checkout DistroShelf.
It would be DNF in this case
You can just use rpm-ostree if you really need something as a system package. Otherwise toolbx or distrobox if it's not available as a flatpak. None of these are virtual machines
'Car' should have been painted over with white instead of black. The other text already has a white outline. This is hard to read.
They're on Bazzite so maybe they only had black installed
Me 10 years ago after deciding to go into the deepend a bit to learn Linux and installing Slackware.
I have Debian on my Legion Go because of this.
You could have just made a Debian distrobox
Are you a Bazzite dev?
It's okay, I promise we still like Bazzite. We're just haha-ing over here, nothing personal.
I am not, I just really like it lol... And people seem to have lots of misconceptions about it so I like to try to clear that stuff up when I see it.
But why, though? Why not just use the better distro directly?
Because I play games on my PC and bazzite works wonderfully for that right out of the box?
Because I like the concept of an immutable distro and not having to ever worry about an update breaking my install, and not being able to boot to my desktop ever again?
What makes it a "better distro" exactly?
Also, I can install/run packages from any other distro and package manager from there, not just "the better distro." I use it to access the AUR for example. There aren't many limitations there at all. While also being incredibly stable...
I have nvidia, so Debian works better for gaming personally
Well, I can't speak to that as I have no experience with it. I do know that bazzite has a couple preconfigured "ujust" commands related to setting up nvidia drivers. No idea how well it works.
I wanted Debian over Bazzite.
I'm not a fan of Bazzite.
I'm a noob, and I thought Bazzite would be simpler, but when I had an issue (monitor going black under heavy load), I couldn't solve the problem because of the immutable OS. I went around in circles with Google and ChatGPT, and couldn't get it to work.
Hint: :q!
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