That’s insane who in their right mind would dedicate their time to that? And what kind of dogshit company would openly allow that to happen! Glad we’re not there is all I’ll say

The question was about jobs.

I get both PoVs. For some, it's just a clock in clock out type thing they do just to survive and maybe pay for their other passions. For others, they spent a majority of their lives training, learning, licensing, and practicing a skillset to perform their work. It's fairly often a large part of one's identity and it's not a negative thing. Though it may be a negative thing to assume someone is only their job.

But I can hardly blame someone for seeing themselves first as a scientist, artist, lawyer, or whatever.

The higher up you go the less work you do and the more stress you take on. You're essentially trading your peace of mind for more money.

When you work a simple manual labor job you clock in and clock out and then go home and live your life. Work stays at the office.

When you're an executive or a business owner you're working 100% of the time. Something happens, you need to respond. Sometimes you need to make hard decisions where you're fucked either way but you need to minimize damage.

You need to find solutions to problems and that keeps you up at night. Don't have enough money for payroll next week? How you gonna do it? Not pay vendors this week? Take out another line of credit at ridiculous rates? Skip a payment on your rent? Equipment financing?

You have to do something- you stop paying your employees and the company falls apart very quickly. Could start a chain reaction of good people leaving, making the situation worse. The buck pretty much stops with you, you can't pass off the problem to someone else.

It's not easy to be in charge. Lot of blame rests on your shoulders if things go wrong.

Of course that doesn't mean they deserve 10,000x the salary of a regular job. I think CEO pay should be capped to some multiple of regular employee pay. Whatever that scalar value should be 2, 5, or 10 I think is debatable. But it should be capped.

Small business owner here. Just to add to the other responses about the stress and responsibility as you move up that others mentioned here... I cover every one of my employees when they take vacation or sick leave. So I am often doing my job, plus another person's. It's not uncommon for me to work 12 hour days without breaks.

that's not a job, some people are just Assigned Cop At Birth

They don't take it seriously enough. They go play army man.

It isn’t making the coffee that’s hard, it’s being on your feet for 8 solid hours while getting assaulted by a Karen every 30 minutes and playing the memory game of 3 pumps vanilla no foam cinnamon powder vinti super choco-latte. The coffee is just a minor part of the job.

Tell me you've never worked in hospitality without telling me you've never worked in hospitality.

Brb gonna go try to hack the NSA so I have something else to be stressed about

You're that camper. Turn the music off.

Maybe I'm biased since I recently started working as a software dev, but you don't need to be really good to get a job as a programmer. I'm evidence of that.

damn dude know your audience, you're on Lemmy lol

Not sure where you're from, but here in the states, if you have a basic ability to code from a bootcamp or even self taught with a portfollio, you'll pretty easily get hired making anywhere from 45-55k a year. And after about 2-4 years, you'll pretty easily be making 70-90k sometimes more depending on where you live.

Professional software developer here. It’s definitely a career. I do agree it’s like art, it requires you to fit stuff together like a puzzle to get it to work. But I don’t think that makes it less of a “serious” career - there’s a lot of money in the field and as the world gets more and more invested in computing it’s become a very in-demand skill.

It is a career, for sure. It can be hard to get into, but I’ve been in the industry for a long time and I have worked with people who have been paid a developer’s salary for years who were unbelievably bad at their jobs.

I used to manage a software team - once I was trying to explain something to a coworker and asked them to write some code to loop from 1 to 10 for me, and they couldn’t do it. I even prompted them by saying “you know, write a for loop” and they said that they kinda knew what for loop was, but they wouldn’t know how to write one. I asked them to give it their best shot, just write the word “for” and then see what flows from there, but they were just not able to proceed. I explained how to do it to them, and then they asked me what an int (integer) was… but I had already explained what an int was the day prior. This person had an honours degree in computer science.

I’d say there are a lot of developers who are barely competent at copy/pasting code from stack overflow until it works. Maybe 10-20% of the people in SMEs are that. The majority are pretty decent, but kinda lazy. Then there are the incredibly competent and hard-working people who are like gold dust. A really good developer who isn’t a complete drama king/queen, has good communication skills and just gets on with their work instead of getting sucked into personal pet projects is incredibly rare.

it's one of the most important professions but okay tell me more about how mrs dunn was mean to you and you suck at fractions