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submitted 1 week ago by perestroika@lemm.ee to c/world@lemmy.world

Apparently, Ukrainian drones pushed through and started a chain reaction.

Explosions reportedly continued for hours, and authorities evacuated nearby settlements. Initial reports indicate that the site, previously protected by one of Russia’s densest air defense networks, suffered catastrophic damage.

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[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 174 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure competent militaries store their munitions in networks of dozens if not hundreds of earthen bunkers per site, specifically so shit like this can't happen.

264 kilotons is a fuckload of bombs.

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 115 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Competent ones, I think they do.

Possible explanations:

  • yet another time, someone had set money aside for personal use, consequently the bunkers had doors made of plywood or roofing tin :)

  • arrival of drones was timed to match the loading / unloading of an ammunition train (that's when even competent militaries have to bring their stuff out)

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago
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[-] Gobbel2000@programming.dev 35 points 1 week ago

In their infinite wisdom they apparently stored a bunch of ammunitions out in the open.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Russia has a long history of open storage at these sites. They also lost a ton of bunkers a few months ago at other sites. So they likely did not have much of an option, and they chose open store it at their "best defended" base.

I personally would bet that site was overstocked as it was likely the primary ammo dump by default. All of the newly manufactured missiles and shells going there directly from the factories.

[-] Corngood@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago

Assuming I'm looking at the right thing on google maps, it does seem to be a lot of earthen bunkers with berms separating them. There are also quite a few free standing buildings scattered around.

I looked at Hawthorne Army Depot (US) to compare, and that one is a lot less dense, but it's absolutely gigantic.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

It could hold that much, but according to Ukraine it was 105000 tons that exploded. Huge success though.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

That's like ten small nukes.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They may not have enough manpower to guard a more distributed site, especially if they’re afraid of internal groups seizing some of it.

[-] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

But you can save money by putting all of them in one place

[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I guess we don't have an accurate source on what percentage of munitions his was.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

I would confidently assume 100% of it was munitions

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you think of the fill percentage, I think that's too optimistic, since they're in a war. There is constant demand. However, even 50% would be an extremely big amount, and relieve Ukrainians from a lot of pressure (last year, when a similar thing happened in Toropets, it had effects on the front within weeks). This time, from the videos I saw, there was enough to keep detonating for a long time.

Whatever the fill percentage and loss percentage, the site is closed for a long time - if something remains, it cannot be reached, it has to be examined and re-certified. But more likely, very little will remain.

In the coming days, satellite photos will tell what the situation is.

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[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 124 points 1 week ago

Can we have links to more reputable, known news sites please? Never heard of that one. Here's the BBC.

Russia's military blamed the blast on ammunition which had detonated after the storage building caught fire due to a "violation of safety requirements".

Huh, I suppose maybe a drone-sized violation?

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 57 points 1 week ago

Have seen euromaidanpress articles before, I think they're legit if not a bit sensationalist and obviously very pro-Ukraine.

And of course Russia blames a smoooooking incident. There's this one Russian guy who just smokes everywhere he shouldn't. Munition storages, aviation bases, flagship Moskva...

[-] figjam@midwest.social 26 points 1 week ago

Same guy who removes the safety rails around balconies

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[-] Retreaux@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago

This fucking rules. Eat poo, Shittin.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago

Must have been one hell of a fireworks show, good hunting finding the next one.

Slava Ukraini

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[-] VagueAnodyneComments 52 points 1 week ago

oh look they picked a new pope already

[-] gaael@lemm.ee 51 points 1 week ago

I hace no idea how serious a blow this is. Can anyone provide any sense of magnitude for these 264 000 tons of munitions? Like how big a chunk of total ammunition stockpile woukd this be? How big is it compared to current manufacturing rate?

[-] judasferret@aussie.zone 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Chatgpt thoughts.. With some spot checking on the math seems right.. Here’s the context of 250,000 tonnes of munitions from the Russian side:

Russia fires 10,000 to 60,000 artillery shells per day, depending on the front.

A typical 152mm shell weighs around 40–43 kg.

That means Russia can burn through 1,800+ tonnes per day in peak operations.

Russian production in 2023 was estimated at 2 million+ shells per year.

Russia also draws from Soviet-era stockpiles and imports from North Korea and Iran.

Russian doctrine favors volume over precision. Their artillery-centric strategy relies on overwhelming force rather than accuracy.

250,000 tonnes equates to roughly 6 million shells.

For Russia, that’s only about 3–5 months of usage at current intensity.

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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kirzhach is on the far side of Moscow from Ukraine. Did the drones fly over Moscow to reach it, or did they take a longer route?

[-] Tum@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago

They may have been launched from within Russia.

Yeah, that’s the fun part of going to war with an adversary that was formerly a part of your empire: they have A LOT of people that can convincingly pass as your nationals - not to mention, there’s a small but meaningful percentage of your own citizens that are going to be sympathetic enough (due to family, social, and cultural connections) to that adversary that they’d be willing to act on their behalf for stuff like this.

[-] kooks_only@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 week ago

This is what the Americans who support a war with Canada don’t realize.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As an American, it is utterly insane to me that there’s a good number of Americans that are just like “huh yeah I guess we’re gonna bomb Canada to make them do what we want”.

Then again, there’s a lot of utterly insane things happening these days.

A lot of my countrymen are gonna be finding out about Type II “sorry” if we try any military adventurism. And I’m sure Greenlanders would welcome an expeditionary force of Finns, considering their rich and storied experience (5-6.5:1 KD ratio; ~5:1 overall casualty ratio, without even considering the Continuation War).

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Type II “sorry”

Love this, and now that I see your username I find this quote has a Banksian quality to it.

Type I: I'm sorry
Type II: You'll be sorry

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is absolutely an Iain M Banks reference (and thank you for noticing <3). I identify as a GSV.

Type II (alternate): said cheekily, immediately after finding a loophole in the Geneva Convention

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[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago
[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 37 points 1 week ago

If Putler had any sense, he’d spend a fraction of his military budget on making nicotine patches available for free to his orcs. That would pay for itself in no time.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Russians are a lost cause. 3 years and Putin is still unopposed and every single ruzki is silent doing nothing. Putin might as well eat babies for breakfast and no one would have the balls to do anything about it so sense is completely lost here.

Russian culture is beyond redemption and I say this with a heavy heart as a Russian language speaker. So incredibly disappointed.

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[-] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

Excellent news! Slava Ukraini!

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

I enjoy when the news headlines remind us they CAN be good

[-] frezik@midwest.social 29 points 1 week ago

Initial reports indicate that the site, previously protected by one of Russia’s densest air defense networks, suffered catastrophic damage.

Good chance Ukraine could hit the Kremlin if they wanted to. They have drones with the 500 mile range to pull it off, and Russian air defense has become a joke. The only thing that's been stopping them was US worries about actions like that causing escalation. Ukraine has had less and less reason to care what the US thinks of late.

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[-] eronth@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

What, like, percent of stored munitions would this likely be? How impactful of a destruction is it?

[-] Metz@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's hard to find reliable data about that. The last good information is from 2022 and says that Russia has stored around 1 million tons of ammunition. That would mean Ukraine just wiped out 26% of everything Russia had.

However, since it is very likely that Russia has produced a lot more since the war began, it's hard to tell how much they actually lost today.

The only other number I could find was one that says that each day Russia uses around 26000 rounds of ammunition (artillery).

And since I'm a lazy fuck that is already lying in bed and I only have my smartphone here, I'll let AI do the estimates and calculations.

Under the premise that most things in that depot was artillery ammo, and we roughly know the weight of a round and as said how much they use per day we can estimate they burn through 1218 tons of ammunition per day.

That would mean Ukraine just destroyed around 220 days of ammunition.

But as said, that's just a wild guess based on some very vague numbers that I don't have double checked now.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Wasn't it around 10.000 rounds of artillery at the start of thf full scale invasion and now it's a bit lower like 5-6.000?

[-] Metz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

That may very well be. Ukraine managed to destroy quite a lot depots already, as far as I remember. And Russia had already problems of keeping up either way because of lack of specific resources, I think.

Something along that line. This display is too small and my fingers too fat to actually check that right now.

[-] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Ukraine themselves reports it at 105ktons of munitions destroyed. And honestly, I trust their remote intel better than russias direct intel on how much it was. Hehe.

[-] doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 week ago
[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

I hope the shrapnel flew everywhere. Kudos to Ukrainian drone pilots. Fuck the Muscovites and their foreign supporters.

[-] WheelcharArtist@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago
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[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

Thank you for this glorious news! I love it!

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago

If Russia truly has fucked its entire workforce into conscription, they may have to pull forces off the frontlines in order to manufacture replacements for lost equipment and munitions.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Juicy target and hopefully the shrapnel flew fucking everywhere.

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