Keir Starmer does not believe trans women are women, No 10 says (www.bbc.com)

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[-] obinice@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer does not believe transgender women are women, his official spokesman has said.

Oh damn, this is huge. He's officially admitting to being a Transphobic Bigot. Literally.

What else in this ballpark would he like to admit to while he's at it? Maybe he's a Homophobe too? ...What's his stance on black people?

Also, are transgender men, men? And if so, why is it one rule for women and another for men? Is he sexist too?

On the basis of his admission of being a Bigot I would argue he is unfit to be leader of the Labour Party. I recall a Labour Prime Minister not too long ago getting angry at someone for being a Bigot... how times have changed...

[-] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

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[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 13 points 3 weeks ago

This is not huge. He is literally saying what the law says, which is exactly what you expect a prime minister to do.

Damn, if only the PM had the power to get the law changed.

The PM declined to repeat his previous statement "transwomen are women," instead asserting: "A woman is an adult female - the court has made that absolutely clear."

This is transphobia, seriously listen to him weasel out of it. He was asked if trans woman were women in general, not specifically for the purposes of the Equalities Act.

[-] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

A woman is an adult female. A transwoman is an adult female who used to be male. It's not difficult to grasp that they are different things. You can admit that and still believe that transwomen should be treated with dignity like anyone else.

Personally I don't give a shit what bathroom people use or what they want to be referred to. I'll go along with whatever... But a woman and a transwoman are different things, and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Always have been different things and always will be, no matter what the law states, now or in the future.

Kier's words are still not transphobia. There is no fear, dislike, prejudice, discrimination, harassment, or violence in his statement. The scream of 'transphobia' is thrown around too much for anyone who disagrees with a narrow definition. Any disagreement is labelled as hate, and it's silly.

Should a transwoman have the same rights and respect as a woman? Absolutely. Are they the same? No, they are not. Is that a hateful bigoted viewpoint worthy of scorn? I don't believe so.

[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 8 points 3 weeks ago

Should a transwoman have the same rights and respect as a woman? Absolutely. Are they the same? No, they are not.

'As a woman', a trans woman is a woman, different from a cis woman sure, but still a woman. This statement is fairly absurd if you substitute trans with another adjective, like is a blonde woman different from a woman?

Kier’s words are still not transphobia. There is no fear, dislike, prejudice, discrimination, harassment, or violence in his statement.

The prejudice is denying the legitimacy of trans women as women. 'Adult human female' is a dog whistle for 'not trans', so by asserting that a woman is 'an adult female' he's saying trans women aren't women (and that trans men aren't men).

[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 24 points 3 weeks ago

I can't decide whether they're awful or just saying awful things to pander to the awful bits of the electorate. Both are terrible but they're different flavours of evil.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago

Pandering to the most awful bigots in the country is an awful thing to do. This is a spineless government with no principles other than "don't offend the right wing".

[-] joekar1990@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Feels like a cozying up to trump looking for a tariff exemption by doing this too, right?

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Wouldn't be surprising at this point.

[-] thehatfox@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Labour chose to take this particular stance today. There are many other approaches they could have taken, they could have also tried to dodge the matter and kick they can down the road, but instead "trans women are not women" is what they have chosen to actively embrace.

(Further) pandering to the transphobic lobby is not necessary, and what's been said today is far beyond pandering.

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'm constantly amazed that this is a hard subject for people. As the golden rule says:

"I'm not going to reach into your pants, without an invitation. And I prefer no one reach into my pants, because we barely know each-other. Whatever someone tells me is in their pants, I'll take their word for it, as long as they haven't flashed me in public. Also, shitting in practically transparent stalls is awful for everyone, and showering with strangers sucks. Let's all just do less of both."

[-] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

They're missing a word on the end of that sentence: "today". Tomorrow, however ...

[-] ploot 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's at times like these I turn to my man Alexei:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyQGrq-Y7gg

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