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[-] applemao@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

This is what will be so sad for the future. I though art was dead years ago, but it's truly dead now

[-] ech@lemm.ee 132 points 1 week ago

What a stupid fucking idea for a contest. "Press a button until something interesting pops out. Best button pusher wins." Glad it got subverted like that.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah man, I hate photography contests too.

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 week ago

Tell me you know nothing about photography without using those words.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I mean - I do some professional underwater photography, and sometimes it can feel like that. If 1/20 of my photos are keepers, I'm doing pretty good.

Of course getting it to the point where I can shoot 5-shot bursts and pick the good one still requires a lot of knowledge of optics, lighting, camera settings, etc and a ton of editing on the back end, but in the moment it kinda do be like that.

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 3 points 6 days ago

I'm strictly an amateur snapshot taker. So I'm lucky if 1 of 100 photos are things I consider "good".

This is why I respect people who can reach 1 in 10 keepers. They know things I don't understand.

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[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You seem like you're fun at parties

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 71 points 1 week ago

It’s the opposite of the OP’s headline.

Aimbot works because being good at games is essentially bending your skills to match a simulation, aimbot can have the simulation parameters written into it.

LLMs are blenders for human-made content with zero understanding of why some art resonates and other art doesn’t. A human with decent skill will always outperform a LLM because the human knows what the ineffable qualities are that make a piece of art resonate.

[-] LwL@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

100% yes but just because I really hate how everyone conflates AI with LLMs these days I have to say this: The LLM isn't generating the image, it's at most generating a prompt for an image generating AI (which you could also write yourself)

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[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 1 week ago

this is clear proof that AI art is soulless and real artists will always outperform AI

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

What about the very famous equivalent that happened like a year ago where someone won an art competition with an AI generated photo?

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

poor judges I suppose

[-] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago

As long as progress continues and humanity survives, computer generated art will eventually outperform humans. It's pretty obvious, as far as science knows you could just simulate a full human consciousness and pull images out of that somehow, but able to run that in parallel, never deteriorating, never tiring. It's not a matter of if "AI" can outperform humans, it's a matter of if humanity will survive to see that and how long it might take.

[-] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

It’s not a matter of if “AI” can outperform humans, it’s a matter of if humanity will survive to see that and how long it might take.

You are not judging what is here. The tech you speak of, that will surpass humans, does not exist. You are making up a Sci-Fi fantasy and acting like it is real. You could say it may perhaps, at some point, exist. At that point we might as well start talking about all sorts of other technically possible Sci-Fi technology which does not exist beyond fictional media.

Also, would simulating a human and then forcing them to work non-stop count as slavery? It would. You are advocating for the creation of synthetic slaves... But we should save moral judgement for when that technology is actually in horizon.

AI is a bad term because when people hear it they start imagining things that don't exist, and start operating in the imaginary, rather than what actually is here. Because what is here cannot go beyond what is already there, as is the nature of the minimization of the Loss Function.

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[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Real regrettable take, come back in 5 years for a nice snack

To the many, many, downvoters...you're completely insane if you think AI art which has been a thing for like 18 months won't improve to the point that it's better than flesh bag artists ever.

[-] EldritchFeminity 26 points 1 week ago

You clearly don't understand how these things work. AI gen is entirely dependent on human artists to create stuff for it to generate from. It can only ever try to be as good as the data sets that it uses to create its algorithm. It's not creating art. It's outputting a statistical array based on your keywords. This is also why ChatGPT can get math questions wrong. Because it's not doing calculations, which computers are really good at. It's generating a statistical array and averaging out from what its data set says should come next. And it's why training AI on AI art creates a cascading failure that corrupts the LLM. Because errors from the input become ingrained into the data set, and future errors compound on those previous errors.

Just like with video game graphics attempting to be realistic, there's effectively an upper limit on what these things can generate. As you approach a 1:1 approximation of the source material, hardware requirements to improve will increase exponentially and improvements will decrease exponentially. The jump between PS1 and PS2 graphics was gigantic, while the jump between PS4 and PS5 was nowhere near as big, but the differences in hardware between the PS1 and PS2 look tiny today. We used to marvel at the concept that anybody would ever need more than 256MB of RAM. Today I have 16GB and I just saw a game that had 32GB in its recommended hardware.

To be "better" than people at creating art, it would have to be based on an entirely different technology that doesn't exist yet. Besides, art isn't a product that can be defined in terms of quality. You can't be better at anime than everybody else. There's always going to be someone who likes shit-tier anime, and there's always going to be parents who like their 4 year old's drawing better than anything done by Picasso. That's why it's on the fridge.

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[-] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

flesh bag artists ever

Dehumanization. Great. What did the artists do for you to have them this much?

Also, do you have any idea of how back propagation works? Probably never heard of it, right?

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[-] fakir@lemm.ee 45 points 1 week ago

Haha, humans taking over AI jobs!

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Prompt engineering is not easy. Getting something as good as a real artist's work is very hard, especially if you're not an artist. Of course actual art is going to win every time.

[-] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Prompt “engineering” goes to show that you can stick the word engineer on the end of anything to make it sound official and important. Talking to a chatbot is not engineering of any sort

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

The trick is the artist invested time

[-] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah, a real picture engineer worked hard on it

[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

"Prompt engineering" now that's a new one, what next? Prompt researching?

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[-] match@pawb.social 14 points 1 week ago

i don't want to shit on someone's honbies but i will take dick from a Kamen Rider fanboy over a AI Prompt Engineer any day

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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I like the artwork, I approve of the message, and this gave me a chuckle.

But c'mon, like, it's against the rules. If you are annoyed by AI art being submitted to human art contests, you should be annoyed by this too.

The first time I read about AI art being submitted to a human contest and winning, I thought, "how drôle." Of course, now I see it violates the spirit of competition. AI art should have its own category -- and that doesn't just go one way. Like it or not, AI is a tool and if some people want to explore how to use it to make good content, let's let them do that in peace. Maybe it will become fractionally less shitty.

[-] scintilla@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago

Actually I don't have to be ok with anyone contributing to the burning down of the planet. I feel like adults should have a better understanding of morality than simply "its against the rules and is therefore wrong".

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 week ago

I think most people don't really develop moral reasoning past "I don't want to get punished" or, if you're lucky, "it's against the rules."

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[-] the_q@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Generated art isn't art. Generative AI artists don't exist. Calling it a tool implies it helps in the execution of a task when all it actually does is shit out slop based on stolen training data.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

You should try the AI Art Turing Test! 50 "art" pieces, you have to decide whether they were human or AI. I got about 70% when I did this.

[-] match@pawb.social 18 points 1 week ago

I'm shocked i haven't seen captchas of the form "choose which image is AI generated"

[-] drosophila 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People who use Lemmy would be able to tell the difference most of the time, but the average person would have zero idea.

Just look at any of the YouTube videos with obviously AI generated clickbait thumbnails that get 10s of millions of views. Or all of the shitty obvious Photoshop thumbnails that existed before AI.

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[-] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago
[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 14 points 1 week ago

You cheated. Of course if you're an artist, you're going to make better art than AI.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 1 week ago

it's like... yeah you can tweak every single parameter and build your own checkpoints and stack hundreds of extra networks on top of one another and that is certainly a skill, but creating art with intent is an entirely different skill. and the first one won't give you shit if the contest is about creating art with intent.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

He's a modern day John Henry.

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