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submitted 10 months ago by biofaust@lemmy.world to c/canada@lemmy.ca

I mean, sure, it's not as population dense as the USA, or Mexico, but Canada is huge, your people are nice, you have some of the best entertainment companies on the planet (namely Cirque du Soleil and Pornhub), your natural resources and attractions are unbelievable and your actors are the best (especially the BSG/Chronicles of Riddick cast).

And yet, as an Italian with an international perspective (lived abroad for the last 16 years and visited the USA and South America repeatedly), I have been not "Canada-aware" for most of my life.

I get it that you are not boasting like your neighbors (and that alone makes you better than them imho), but how come that I was left to realize only today that the Manitoba flour I used to make pizza all my life takes its name from one of your provinces, while I know about all the shitty pizzas the US made up in a century.

Same thing goes for Latin American countries, even the ones I never visited, like Mexico or Argentina.

I shall visit soon and I hope you can take the chance to teach me more in the meanwhile.

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[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 24 points 10 months ago

I think it has to do with an old saying.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Generally we as Canadians on the international level speak softly, while the US speaks very loudly. It is of no shock to me that you only remember us when we have to bring out the stick because we aren't as "interesting" to watch as the US is.

We may have Cirque du Soleil but everyone knows the real circus is US politics, and it is hard to compete on the world stage with the best of the best. haha

[-] vaccinationviablowdart@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago
  1. Quoting Theodore Roosevelt very funny in context
  2. What big stick?
[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

What big stick?

The one between every Canadians legs causing Trump the penis envy required to invade our beautiful nation.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The big stick of "we own most of your natural resources and energy so you probably shouldn't fuck around"?

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[-] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago

Just remember that it was a Canadian who invented the Hawaiian pizza. So, sorry about that.

(for the record, I like Hawaiian pizza)

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

The meme about hating pineapple pizza comes from Americans that hate eating anything that's recognizably plant-like.

It must be ultra processed or meat.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Hey hey pineapple is officially a good pairing with cheese. Afaik the mozzarella foundation (??) recommends it specifically as a good flavour combination. No need to apologise bud.

[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

The key to Hawaiian pizza is you need to add spice to it. Then you get sweet, savory, and spicy all in one wonderful mouthful. Even jalapeños work fine, but preferable something with a little heat.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

I was ambivalent, but now I support invasion. Not really, it’s just fun to hate on pineapple on pizza.

[-] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

If the US takes over, it becomes their invention. It's like our diamond shield. Like, whoever smelt it, dealt it.

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[-] limitedduck@awful.systems 13 points 10 months ago

Happy to hear you're thinking of us! I think the average Canadian thinks more about our country's international reputation than mindshare. Personally, it doesn't bother me hearing that someone in another country doesn't think about us very often, but it does make me happy to hear that when you do it's positively. Please do visit!

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago
[-] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Claiming the bottom spot for the 35th year in a row was the US, whom researchers described as “firmly not giving a shit about what anyone thinks to a detrimental extreme”.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

Honestly, it's more like they invent a narcissistic alternative reality where everyone either loves them or hates them out of envy. Which is worse.

Not saying out inferiority complex is great either, though.

[-] MyMotherIsAHamster@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago

I don't think your experience is unique - I think because the U.S. has been so dominant economically, culturally, and certainly militarily, much of the world overlooks us. It's not in our national character to be boastful, we just get things done - but never mistake our quiet nature for meekness. We're fiercely proud of our country and our accomplishments - and of being very unlike our neighbors to the south.

You should definitely come visit if you get the chance, there's a lot to see, and a nation of friendly people to help you enjoy it. Ciao!

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Sometimes we Canadians overlook ourselves, too...

Just as one example: the National Film Board making and promoting Canadian films just seem like some art-school hobbyists in comparison to the USA. You see all the big-name Canadian actors ending up in Hollywood blockbuster movies.

[-] MyMotherIsAHamster@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Absolutely. I had a friend (f*ck cancer) who was a huge movie buff, never missed TIFF, but he refused to watch Canadian-made movies. His argument was that he had been disappointed by them too many times, but I pointed out that Hollywood had disappointed him way more often lol. I finally got him to watch some, but he was a stubborn bastard about it. Miss ya, Fred.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

You see all the big-name Canadian actors ending up in Hollywood blockbuster movies.

That's because hollywood has the big audiences and therefore the big budgets.

If you want to be an actor you want your work to be seen and you want to be paid.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

And films mostly in Canada at this point.

[-] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago

To be honest I never knew we shipped our flour that far. (I live in Manitoba)

I think for the most part we realize that we are not perfect by any stretch, and instead of bragging about what we do or don't have, many of us would prefer to just try our best to make our corner of the planet as nice as we can. We are, after all, made up of people from all over the world and I think that's one of our greatest strengths.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I think it is not always produced in Manitoba, but it is the name of the kind of wheat flour that is best for pizza.

[-] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Ya, I would assume that although the name originated from here, it's grown throughout the prairies and probably the states as well.

Still interesting to know that our name is attached to it though. I've always thought that "manitoba flour" was just regular flour that was local.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Durham wheat (also grown in large amounts in Manitoba) is considered one of the best for making pasta flour.

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[-] vaccinationviablowdart@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

I've never heard of Manitoba flour.

Why is it good for pizza?

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

It is a strong white flour, it builds quite a strong glutinic net (I am translating from Italian here) and therefore keeps a good elasticity after rising, while being stretched and pulled.

[-] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I preferred being out of sight out of mind actually, especially the lack of tourists. Hell is other people.

When I visited Scotland, I felt the city core of Edinburgh wasn't for the locals anymore and it turned me off tourist reliant locations entirely for context.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

You can do tourism wrong (as Italian cities do), and do it right, like Amsterdam started to do now. I was there in April last year and I was able to take pictures of the canals with no one in them but me effortlessly. They literally paid ads to tell British low cost flight tourists not to come visit.

It's called self-care.

[-] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, Portugal also has a really big problem with tourism - we back here need a wakeup call fast.

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[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

the lack of tourists.

It's a big country, that's definitely not the case coast to coast.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 10 months ago

Wait … did you just say that all the tourists in Edinburgh spoiled it for … you, as a tourist?

[-] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

No, more like what tourism did to Edinburgh.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Honestly we forget about Canada, in a way. Having the US so close geographically and culturally has made it hard to see anything else. I can think of three distinctly Canadian dishes, and two of them have only stayed Canadian because they involve ingredients Americans can't get.

The Anglo-Canadian identity is pretty much just "we're not American" and having an inferiority complex. It's been weirdly natural for people to switch to thinking of America as the enemy.

while I know about all the shitty pizzas the US made up in a century.

Yep, none of that was us. For sure. /s

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 5 points 10 months ago

Obviously not a scifi fan. So much filmed there most significantly various stargates.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Not a Stargate one. I know a few sci-fi movie were shot in notable Canadian cities, such as Chronicle in Vancouver, but I never really recognized Canada in a sci-fi film, no.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

Canadians that live in Vancouver and Toronto do this a lot for various films set in "American City, USA":

Di Caprio playing Rick Dalton points at out of frame TV

[-] LycanGalen@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Alberta has a thriving film industry, too. Nearly any Western, or show that's written for Texas and vicinity will have scenes shot in Alberta. The Last of Us was shot in Calgary, Edmonton, and Canmore along with various "wilderness" locations. The giraffes in the series are Calgary Zoo residents.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Even if you've just visited, you're like "wait, that looks really familiar" sometimes.

It's 'cause they get a tax break, or so I've heard.

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[-] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

We know we aren't flashy. The world kind of forgets about us sometimes because we are next to the loudest kid in the class. We are proud generally of the co-operation we have with other places and groups. Our medical advances raise waters that lift all ships , we have a space program that primarily assists other nations space exploration. We have a military but we are primarily devoted to UN peacekeeping.

The Canadians were a pivotal force tasked with the Italian Campaign in WWII which had some of the most brutal on the ground city fighting of the war. My Grandfather was there from the beginning to the end of the Campaign... Yet I have heard Americans on here ask "Did Canada storm the beaches of Normandy?" as some kind of "gotcha" to shame us because they don't know that we had our own beach operation but all they know is that Americans were there because Hollywood only shows American battles.

We are used to being kind of forgotten but we can be proud of ourselves for a job well done.

[-] vaccinationviablowdart@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago
[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I repeat: Canada is quite a big one, it has a developed economy and produces solid cultural products.

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[-] jszym@cosocial.ca 3 points 10 months ago

@biofaust Ok, the gig is up, which one of us Canadians wrote this. /s

As a second-generation Italian immigrant to Canada, Canada is pretty great. (Italy is pretty great too).

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