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The two progressive lawmakers have addressed massive crowds in solidly red states including Idaho and Utah in recent days, as party of the national Fighting Oligarchy Tour.

A survey taken by Harvard's Center for American Political Studies and Harris between April 9-10 found that 72% of Democratic voters supported politicians like Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), "who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and 'fight harder'," rather than leaders who are willing to "compromise" with President Donald Trump.

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[-] gregs_gumption@lemm.ee 89 points 1 week ago

The actual question that 72% of Democrats support:

Do you support more Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and “fight harder”, or moderate Democrats who are willing to compromise on Trump issues important to their base?

The question is "do you want to fight Trump more" not "do you support AOC and Bernies progressive agenda".

Link to the actual poll results.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago

It's interesting that they explicitly, rather than implicitly, chain compromise with Trump to the moderates, and fighting Trump to the progressives. Without that, that number might have even been higher. This reads to me like a solid condemnation of the moderates.

[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago

Also of the democratic party by a certain reading since Bernie is an independent and AOC is a Bernie plant hehe 72% would prefer more people outside the current party line.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 89 points 1 week ago

Kamala didn't lose by being "Too woke", she lost by saying "Maybe the Right can have a little fascism, ya know, as a treat?"

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

This is why I want to see AOC as a candidate and NOT Harris. We need a candidate who is less, "reaching across the aisle" and more "boots on necks."

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

America doesn't have a good track record for young, popular, progressive presidents.

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[-] vxx@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Centrist approach?

USA has a conservative Party and a Neonazi Party

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Sounds about White.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Two old rich white men arguing over the proper way to do genocide against brown people. Then they both get upset when brown people stop buying their shitty products.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 67 points 1 week ago

THEN FUCKING DO IT.

If the party “leaders” aren’t with it, kick them the fuck out.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think that's what's going to happen. AOC is taking on Chuck Schumer:

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

Maybe if people show up to vote. The only poll that matters is in the voting booth.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

Facts. It's all for naught is people can't get off their butts and vote.

Local voting is important too as is being engaged with local politics.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

In these 18 states you don't even have to get up. My ballots are mailed to me. I drop them off on my daily walk at a blue mailbox.

[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Theres no real taking on until they start calling for a new party

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 57 points 1 week ago

I want to abandon the centrist approach, period. No more reaching across the aisle, no more insider trading, no more letting capitalists dictate how society should be. America has given capitalism a nearly free hand to determine the nation's destiny, and it has lead to death camps, fascism, and stolen the prosperity that workers had earned with their sweat.

It is time to try a completely different approach to economics and an overhauled Constitution.

[-] andybytes@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago

I don't want to hate on it, but it's like we don't respect the Constitution as it is anyways. And the origins of this country was rich landowners. So technically we're all just kind of like livestock. I guess simply what I'm saying is we have to actually become a real country. And that will require kinetic input.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 points 1 week ago

It should have been a living document. This is how you know these idiots are a death cult.

[-] secretvaporeon@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Earned with their blood*

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 week ago

Won't happen. There's long been a gap between what registered party members want and what those in charge actually do.

We saw the same thing in the UK a few years ago when Jeremy Corbyn got a huge swell of support from the party proper, but all the other Labour MPs collectively rounded on him and conspired to kick him out of the party altogether because he was going to put a stop to their gravy train.

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[-] MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 41 points 1 week ago

Abandon centrist approach and take a hard right turn? The Democratic Party hears you loud and clear! But seriously I do see the Sanders people in places of power I previously have not in the party - this is a very good sign in a very bad time

[-] jabeez@lemmy.today 34 points 1 week ago

DNC: LOL no, but can you please send us just $20 this one time, before it's too late!

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago

Please, [wrong name], we need $5 to make Chuck Schumer wag his finger at the republicans for arresting all LGBT people

[-] oxysis 15 points 1 week ago

And then Cuck Schumer votes to send all LGBTQ+ folx to extermination camps

[-] gabbath@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Strategically! Look, I know it's not great, but we had to do it to avert a government shutdown, because that's what Trump really wanted and we're not gonna play his game!

[-] asg101 23 points 1 week ago

Doesn't matter what the people want, the democrat's corporate masters make the decisions.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it's all about trump and nothing to do with ending the oligarchical regime that enables the genocide.

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 week ago

Bernie Sanders has been fighting oligarchy since before Trump and is Jewish and pro-Palestine.

Unfortunately MAGA runs every branch of the US government right now, so it's impossible to do anything without taking on MAGA first.

[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not only before trump, dudes been fighting for like the last 60 years or so

[-] Hellahunter@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Been a Bernie bro since the 2016 election and haven’t ever stopped. He’s a treasure like Dolly Parton.

[-] lemmingthelemmers@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Bernie is there to allow you to vent out your anger and usher you back in line with the corporate democrats.

Why did he throw out a pro-Palestinian protester this week?

Why does he only call it "Netanyahu's policies" when thebvast majority of the occupiers think he's right on track or not causing enough destruction?

Why does he only want to ban "offensive arms" sales to thay country? Weapons are weapons. What can be used for defense can be used for offense.

He's playing everyone with words, and too many people are falling for it.

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Bernie is there to allow you to vent out your anger and usher you back in line with the corporate democrats.

This is serving far right conspiracy theory.

Dems are straight up too incompetent to use populist rhetoric. Like, if manipulating people was going to be the plan, fucking skip Bernie all together and just have Kamala do the populist speeches instead of Bernie. Or if Bernie was the inside puppet all along, why wouldn't you just make Bernie the candidate.

I think Bernie is a genuine person (which the Dems mostly hate) who has done more to spread class consciousness and solidarity against billionaires than anyone in the current millennium, certainly more than you, hundreds of times over.

[-] lemmingthelemmers@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

You spelled it all out right there. Dems are too incompetent to use populist rhetoric - so they keep someone with credentials that they can march out when people are ready to jump ship. Bernie can't be the nominee because if he were to win and subsequently fail and not deliver - exactly what the democrats want and would ensure - they could not march him out to smother the anger again in the next election cycle.

"We must vote for Hilary to save democracy."

"We must vote for my friend Joe to save democracy."

"We must vote for Kamala Harris to save democracy."

Tell me - did they do it when they had a chance?

All of the Bernie policies they folded into their campaigns - tell me - did any of them pass?

$15 minimum wage was Bernie's big issue to promote with Biden. How did that go? Out like a whimper. He doesn't even talk about it anymore. Lol.

ps. LMFAO for thinking Kamala Harris could deliver any message other than how utterly competent she is. Did you not realize that she actually doesn't answer question but talks gobbledygook around them?

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Bernie can’t be the nominee because if he were to win and subsequently fail and not deliver - exactly what the democrats want and would ensure - they could not march him out to smother the anger again in the next election cycle.

For what purpose, because when they do this they lose anyway.

Your reasoning is just, "they can't risk losing after they win, so they're just going to lose in the first place instead". "Democrats can't risk losing their losing strategy". Your reasoning is nonsensical.

Did you not realize that she actually doesn’t answer question but talks gobbledygook around them?

Kamala is very articulate and laid out some very specific details of plans. She pivoted to "politically correct" when it came to culturally contentious topics like trans rights, which I don't love, but at least Walz stood on business on trans rights.

To say Kamala spoke "gobbledygook" is objectively false, right wing propoganda.

You verbatim speak like a right wing troll hyped up on low effort propoganda spreading horizontal hostility.

[-] lemmingthelemmers@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Losing by just enough is the point. Sounds crazy right?

I'm going to ask you your questions now.

In 2016 the vitriol for Hilary Clinton was clear as day while Bernie was gaining support from the working class of both parties and his populist messaging was hitting home. Why didn't they run Bernie instead?

Bernie in 2020 had the largest grassroots cross-party working class interest even gaining an endorsement from Joe Rogan which AOC shot down quickly. He had the largest amount of small donors and was kicking ass in the primaries until the whole DNC conspired against him to make Biden the nominee. I have no doubt if he was as supported as Biden was he would have won with a mandate.

Why did the other primary challengers all fold one by one and throw their weight behind Biden who had received among the least amount of delegates at the time?

Why did Bernie fold and give that fundraising e-mail list to the DNC?

If democrats wanted to win so badly, why did they not amplify Bernie and his populist message time and time again?

Why did they do everything they could from labeling him a misogynist to a socialist in order to paint him in a bad light?

Why did they do everything they could to prop up the vastly less desireable candidate both times?

You sound like you carry water for the DNC.

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

Bernie also put his literal flesh on the line for civil rights.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bernie and AOC's movement is literally called "Fighting Oligarchy". Not "Fighting Trump".

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[-] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

And the dnc won’t listen cos rich fucks run it

[-] DeusUmbra@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Democrats won't abandon their centrist positions as long as the Clintons live. If voters want a party to represent them, they need to get rid of the current ones.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago

72% of Democrats Want Party to Abandon Centrist Approach to Trump

Party: But who will help us become exponentially richer then?

[-] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Still getting bribery from AIPAC?

[-] VasovagalSyncope@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Billionaires don't deserve a seat at the table.

We wouldn't let any other group of 3000 people contort our entire society to their will.

[-] slappypantsgo@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

AOC and Sanders ARE the centrists. That’s the key to understanding the issue here.

[-] Charlatan@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

Sanders?... Maybe. AOC... No freaking way.

You want a centrist that Dems should listen to? See Adam Frisch in my state. Almost beat Boebert TWICE in her home county.

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[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Right: Genocide ALL undesirables without due process.

Left: Genocide nobody without due process.

Centrist: Clearly there is middle ground. So, lets genocide some people without due process.

[-] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

I want democrats to stop offering an olive branch. Stop trying to work with repugnicant MAGAts. They have shown you who they are deep down. They'll spit on you soon than help you.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Wow ya think

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