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Well that went in a totally different direction than I thought it would. He thinks they're not white supremacist enough?
he wanted their money. i'm still trying to understand why he, as a nazi, wanted to murder trump though. i feel like part of this story isn't being reported here.
Because he is so far right Trump is to the left of him
the kid that missed the ear was an angry right winger that was mad he was too far right last i recalled. so they're coming from both sides now, if this is being reported honestly now.
What? They BOTH came from the extreme right! AFAIK there has been no left wing attacks (yet).
reread what i wrote. being left of trump does not mean left wing.
that being said, i also can't recall his exact details at this point, just that he was right wing that had donated to dems at one point.
None of them were left of Trump AFAIK.
Anyways I wouldn't call it both sides, he is attacked by his own, because they are all Nazi sociopaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks
it's confirmed he donated to dems. the only data that would say he's further right is merely "believed to be associated with the shooter".
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While they're all pretty much the same in all the ways that matter to everyone who isn't a racist asshole, if you care to dig into it there's a lot of different white supremacists ideologies that really aren't compatible with each other. Historically a lot of different movements there spent a lot of time arguing and fighting with, and hating each other, which is why the "unite the right" thing was kind of a big deal.
KKK doesn't like Catholics, that's a sizeable portion of white people they have a problem with
There's some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy, which is part of why you get some of them being all about Norse paganism and such.
Do they want to take over the US and remake it how they want, or do they want to split off from the US and start their own country?
Are they in favor of some sort of democracy, monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship, even occasionally some form of anarchy, etc?
You can go really deep down the rabbit hole trying to unpack all of their competing ideas. They're all crazy and extreme, but they're crazy and extreme in different ways.
It's not at all surprising to me that some of them don't like trump, maybe they just outright don't like him, maybe they think he's a useful idiot who has outlived his usefulness, maybe they think he isn't going far enough, maybe they're just insane.
There's also accelerationists who can justify whatever if they convince themselves it will be a catalyst. I don't think its hard to imagine dumbass white supremacist believing that Trump getting assassinated would finally start their race war.
Yea, there were klansmen voting for Obama because they legitimately thought it'd make the whole country kick out black people. People hold really weird beliefs.
There's some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy,
So Jesus was a double agent? Or the truth is what Jews believe, that Jesus wasn't the son of God? If so it's a real 4d chess to promote a conspiracy by claiming it's fake.
Any info on who believes this?
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There's always people like that. Elon Musk's grandfather thought Hitler was a Jewish plant because he wasn't anti-semitic enough.
The sheriff’s department issued a search warrant and say they found material on the teen’s phone related to “The Order of Nine Angles,” which is “a network of individuals holding new-Nazi racially motivated extremist views,” according to investigators.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation reviewed documents allegedly written by the teen, which calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to “save the white race,” according to federal court documents.
That's an interesting way the describe The Order of Nine Angles. I'd have gone with "decentralized Satanist neo-Nazi terrorist organization."
The Nazis hate Satan, please leave Satanists out of this.
Blame them not me.
Damn, TIL. I thought all Nazis were super big on Christianity, all the ones I've seen were.
The world is a big, weird place. I learned about them from the podcast Weird Little Guys.
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He judged, I think accurately, that they weren't willing to relinquish the funds needed to * checks notes * assassinate the elected leader of a global superpower? Holy shit, and he's so much of a Nazi that he sees Trump as a reasonable candidate for left-leaning targets? Who the fuck did this kid think he was, fucking Giga Hitler?
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He did it wrong. Neither of his parents were Trump.
Well he narrowed it down.
He was just using process of elimination to eventually figure out who Trump is and is not.
Ah, the scientific method.
As nutty as trump's supporters are. It's truly terrifying that there are still plenty out there that feel he hasn't gone far enough.
i'm trying to understand in what world a nazi would be angry with trumps actions.
From what I understand, much of American nazi ideology revolves around accelerationism towards an all-out genocidal race war. If their white savior figure were to be martyred it could further radicalize the right towards that end. Keep in mind the last attempt on Trumps life was by a right-winger and that only galvanized his followers. They aren't angry with Trump, they're just insane bigots that will go to any lengths to promote genocide.
much of American nazi ideology
I don't know about "much of", but the Manson family had something along those lines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_(scenario)
The Helter Skelter scenario is an apocalyptic vision that was supposedly embraced by Charles Manson and members of his so-called Family. At the trial of Manson and three others for the Tate–LaBianca murders, the prosecution presented it as motivating the crimes and as an aspect of the case for conspiracy.[1] Via interviews and autobiographies, former Family members related what they had witnessed and experienced of it.
In both the trial and his subsequent (1974) book, Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi presented evidence that, in a period that preceded the murders, Manson prophesied what he called Helter Skelter, an apocalyptic war that would arise from racial tensions between black and white people. [2]: 311 The prophecy involved reference to the New Testament's Book of Revelation[2]: 238–44 and to the Beatles' music, particularly songs from their 1968 White Album.
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e.g. the Reichstag fire where Nazis burned down their own parliament to frame their enemies.
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation reviewed documents allegedly written by the teen, which calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to "save the white race," according to federal court documents.
My guess is that the plan was to frame "the left" for the assassination and trigger a race war. These nuts are so itching for a fight that they believe that the entire country is on the verge of neighbors fighting neighbors, and they just need to push it over the edge.
Not going to lie. I had a bit of a start at first before I read the article wondering if that were the case. Which I think is exactly why the media framed it the way they did. A lot of people will only see the headlines.
Teen Kills Parents Under Influence of Online Nazis is the correct headline. "I'm gonna kill my parents so I have the money to kill the president" is not an assassination plot, it's just a delusion.
material on the teen's phone related to "The Order of Nine Angles," which is "a network of individuals holding new-Nazi racially motivated extremist views,"
calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to "save the white race," according to federal court documents.
The alleged writings shows images of Adolf Hitler with the following text: "HAIL HITLER HAIL THE WHITE RACE HAIL VICTORY,"
Hard to grasp how incredibly broken those people are. Like, has no one ever told them it actually feels good to help other people? It's been scientifically supported as one of the most effective joy-inducing activities known, far beyond acquiring wealth or shopping. Ironically, it's probably the best way to demonstrate a sense of power (which these hollow souls seem to pursuing, through vitriol)...the power to influence someone else's existence in a beneficial way.
I know, right? There are some people that just are mentally broken in some irreparable way, but that's a small percentage. The rest, it's just so hard to imagine what led them here. And it's sad that it's come to this.
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So he is 17, his mom was 35, and his dad was 51? Thats some uncomfortable math.
Then he tries to become an uber nazi thanks to social media.
Just awful all around.
“The teen's stepfather, Donald Mayer, 51…”
Horrible, but at least not that part.
Thanks, I kept seeing "his parents" but missed the "stepfather". That makes that part not awful at least.
It may be a power imbalance. There's a link between domestic abuse and extremism so I wouldn't be surprised if he was raised in an abusive home
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation reviewed documents allegedly written by the teen, which calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to "save the white race," according to federal court documents.
Something tells me the administration will ignore this.
"And he paid for, at least in part, a drone and explosives to be used as a weapon of mass destruction to commit an attack," investigators said in the federal affidavit.
What's "mass" about one drone? Is this just language to bring different legalities to bear?
I don't know about Wisconsin specifically, but some jurisdictions legally classify explosives as WMDs, alongside all the nukes and chemical weapons and stuff that people think of ordinarily.
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The kid's views are extremist, for sure, but the part about the assassination, not so much. A majority of Americans would support a guillotine for Trump. Kid's a centrist when it comes to his idea of what should be done with Trump. Finally, a topic that can bring the far-right and progressives together.
The hatred will consume itself. I hope to be left out of it.
Is there actual proof that he plotted to assassinate Trump? We know Trump has taken over the FBI and installed loyalists. Are we just going to take their word every time they say they've stopped some grand conspiracy like this?
The drone was a good idea, but… wow kid, you crazy.
I thought Nazis like the sitting president?
Lots of different Nazis out there.
Some, I assume, are good people.
Edit for downvoters: I guess people don't remember Trump's "some, I assume, are good people" quote?
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A bit confused the guy...
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