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[-] 474D@lemmy.world 127 points 2 weeks ago

Well that went in a totally different direction than I thought it would. He thinks they're not white supremacist enough?

[-] dota__2@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago

he wanted their money. i'm still trying to understand why he, as a nazi, wanted to murder trump though. i feel like part of this story isn't being reported here.

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 weeks ago

Because he is so far right Trump is to the left of him

[-] dota__2@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

the kid that missed the ear was an angry right winger that was mad he was too far right last i recalled. so they're coming from both sides now, if this is being reported honestly now.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What? They BOTH came from the extreme right! AFAIK there has been no left wing attacks (yet).

[-] dota__2@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

reread what i wrote. being left of trump does not mean left wing.

that being said, i also can't recall his exact details at this point, just that he was right wing that had donated to dems at one point.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

None of them were left of Trump AFAIK.
Anyways I wouldn't call it both sides, he is attacked by his own, because they are all Nazi sociopaths.

[-] dota__2@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks

it's confirmed he donated to dems. the only data that would say he's further right is merely "believed to be associated with the shooter".

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

While they're all pretty much the same in all the ways that matter to everyone who isn't a racist asshole, if you care to dig into it there's a lot of different white supremacists ideologies that really aren't compatible with each other. Historically a lot of different movements there spent a lot of time arguing and fighting with, and hating each other, which is why the "unite the right" thing was kind of a big deal.

KKK doesn't like Catholics, that's a sizeable portion of white people they have a problem with

There's some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy, which is part of why you get some of them being all about Norse paganism and such.

Do they want to take over the US and remake it how they want, or do they want to split off from the US and start their own country?

Are they in favor of some sort of democracy, monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship, even occasionally some form of anarchy, etc?

You can go really deep down the rabbit hole trying to unpack all of their competing ideas. They're all crazy and extreme, but they're crazy and extreme in different ways.

It's not at all surprising to me that some of them don't like trump, maybe they just outright don't like him, maybe they think he's a useful idiot who has outlived his usefulness, maybe they think he isn't going far enough, maybe they're just insane.

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

There's also accelerationists who can justify whatever if they convince themselves it will be a catalyst. I don't think its hard to imagine dumbass white supremacist believing that Trump getting assassinated would finally start their race war.

[-] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yea, there were klansmen voting for Obama because they legitimately thought it'd make the whole country kick out black people. People hold really weird beliefs.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

There's some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy,

So Jesus was a double agent? Or the truth is what Jews believe, that Jesus wasn't the son of God? If so it's a real 4d chess to promote a conspiracy by claiming it's fake.

Any info on who believes this?

[-] Brutticus@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

Jesus was a Jew, advocating for sacrifice and mercy, versus the old Pagan gods were white perfect warriors with no compunction about slaughtering the weak to protect the volk or some bullshit. Its the same shit you hear about cultural Bolshevism or whatever.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I won't pretend to know all of the details, but as I understand it, the basic idea is something along the line of Christianity was an attempt to make Judaism more palatable to the masses so that their influence for spread.

Which, when you're looking at it through that kind of crazy racist lens, I guess it makes some kind of sense, Jesus more or less did say "hey, you know all that old testament nonsense with crazy rules about how you can cut your hair, not eating pork, circumcision, wearing different fabrics, not turning on the lights on Saturday, etc? Yeah, ignore that shit, no one likes it and it's not important. Now go out and spread my new, cooler version of Judaism around the world" (Not a direct quote) And it was successful, some sort of jewish-derived religion did end up taking over much of the world.

I don't buy that there was any sort of conspiracy to rebrand Judaism into Christianity, and if even there ever was I think they clearly lost control of it at some point.

As for who believes this, again, it's a big fractured world of crazy racists, so it's not always easy to say "here's an organized and recognizable group of people with shared beliefs" and I really don't feel like going down the rabbit hole to find a bunch of fringe white supremacist groups who hold some variation of that specific idea.

But off the top of my head, I believe Varg Vikernes, known for being influential in early Norwegian black metal, murder, and burning down churches, subscribes to some version of that conspiracy.

[-] Brutticus@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

Just like how there is Leftist in fighting, except a lot stupider and more dangerous. I keep making reference to the Night of Long Knives here

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

“Oh looky here, someone trying to bring the left into this 😡”

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

I guess I didn't really understand the diversity of this shit. It's probably good to have a more nuanced view, so cheers

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I know right. If he wants Nazis, then the right people are already in charge.

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 28 points 2 weeks ago

There's always people like that. Elon Musk's grandfather thought Hitler was a Jewish plant because he wasn't anti-semitic enough.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

The sheriff’s department issued a search warrant and say they found material on the teen’s phone related to “The Order of Nine Angles,” which is “a network of individuals holding new-Nazi racially motivated extremist views,” according to investigators.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation reviewed documents allegedly written by the teen, which calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to “save the white race,” according to federal court documents.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

That's an interesting way the describe The Order of Nine Angles. I'd have gone with "decentralized Satanist neo-Nazi terrorist organization."

[-] JTskulk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

The Nazis hate Satan, please leave Satanists out of this.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago
[-] JTskulk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Damn, TIL. I thought all Nazis were super big on Christianity, all the ones I've seen were.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The world is a big, weird place. I learned about them from the podcast Weird Little Guys.

[-] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

same problem as furries. Amazing how incredibly ironic it can get, nazis in liberal or leftish groups.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/11/nazi-furries-deradicalization-efforts.html

Racists pop up anywhere, and don't deserve to represent those cross culture groups.

[-] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

He judged, I think accurately, that they weren't willing to relinquish the funds needed to * checks notes * assassinate the elected leader of a global superpower? Holy shit, and he's so much of a Nazi that he sees Trump as a reasonable candidate for left-leaning targets? Who the fuck did this kid think he was, fucking Giga Hitler?

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Do- Does he have a fucking anime Victoria Louise body pillow?

[-] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not my OC, it could be. If you say it's Victoria I'll take your word for it.

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