I was imaging this meme just last week, while my wife finished renewing her Italian passport and stuffing a bugout bag full of Euros.
Until we undo capitalism, we are going to have these 80 year cycles
I mean, the cycle started with the implementation of capitalism. Italy was functionally feudalistic (particularly in the southern territories) until the mid-19th century, with state power relegated to a hodgepodge of principalities. It's only really been a unified country since 1870 and lagged on industrialization until the Cold War Era, when the US Marshall Plan made it an industrial and shipping beachhead for NATO-bloc manufacturing and trade (as well as a military base to strike out at North Africa and the Middle East).
The waves of Italian immigrants weren't fleeing capitalism. They were fleeing the two World Wars and the industrial collapse of Europe. Americans, by contrast, won't experience the same immediate socio-economic pressures to leave. So I suspect a lot of the reverse-migration we'll see to Italy will be coming from an American wealthy middle class seeking to retire into a post-industrial retirement playground rather than an Italian underclass seeking gainful employment and safety from chronic civil wars and invasions.
Italy is going to be more like Florida in the 1990s than New Jersey in the 1920s.
What would be the alternative? Socialism and thus the standstill of further development? It would have to be extremely state-regulated capitalism. But above all taxes! So on the rich. Democracies would have to be able to protect their own form of government... but they didn't think about it when they were founded because everyone was happy about the positive outcome. So that our democracies are attacked from within. Above all, America needed to regulate tech companies more. Tax havens should be prevented, etc. Capitalism itself promotes further development. It just needs to be protected from abuse. Private individuals should never have too much money and therefore automatically have power.
Why would socialist halt development?
If the state controls everything and resources etc. are distributed fairly, there is no competition.
"Where capitalism promotes efficiency, socialism focuses on equality and solidarity, a redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor and the creation and maintenance of a level playing field"
Equality excludes the whole thing from the outset ( developing ). It would ultimately end in unequality.
That's why it would have to be ( now it's getting funny ) socialist capitalism.
Edit: State capitalism e.g. Scandinavia. Would you now say that the people there are in a bad way?
Please note that there is a distinct difference between socialism and communism. You seem to be describing communism. Within a socialistic system there is still the concept of rich and poor and there is still the ability to create a better life through the effort of development. This specifically is the key distinction between socialism and capitalism.
So what you're calling "socialist capitalism" turns out (funnily enough) to be just socialism which is in turn a capitalistic communism. :)
Btw, I have listed the reasons why things are currently failing in the West.
It would have to be extremely state-regulated capitalism (because of people like Musk,Bezos,Zuckerberg etc for example).
But above all: taxes! So on the rich. (So that taxes are distributed more fairly and, above all, the working class is relieved. In other words, taxes should go up and not down.
So that knowledge is not poached from friendly countries through low taxes. So that the state itself earns financially, which could ultimately be distributed fairly)
Democracies should be able to protect their own form of government... but they didn't think about that when they were founded because everyone was happy about the positive outcome. So our democracies are under attack from within. ( So that the far right or far left can't take over. Or can be destabilized by external influences. )
Above all, America should regulate tech companies more. ( No spying on citizens and such. No mass theft of intellectual property etc )
Tax havens should be prevented, etc( Because it enables tax evasion and other negative effects)
It just needs to be protected from abuse. Private individuals should never have too much money and therefore automatically power. ( Well, we can see the result if it is not protected in America. )
For example, I didn't say a word about citizens holding power over the state. (Which of course should be the case)
Got it. FCK scandinavia and FCK democracy is your choice. Ok
Uruguay has a pretty easy system you can make a request of residence and it seems that usually go through. Americans do not need a visa to come but if you prepare the paperwork is easier..
Only issue is crime has gotten worse there over the years
Immigration has increased too as well
Tell me more about Uruguay. What's irs like over there, standard of living etc.
A quick scan of Wikipedia shows there's an actual left wing party currently in power that was formerly led by a guerilla fighter during the military occupation of the country in the 80s
As well they legalized abortions in 2012 and weed and same sex marriage in 2013
It's got a 3 branch government similar to America
Economy seems stable, Internet seems good.
Guess it's time to start learning Portuguese or Spanish!
The left wing party is not led by a former guerrila fighter but said one Jose Mujica was president yes here the president is important yes but not the all powerful figure. That was in the 70s (the guerrilla thing) and they all admitted that doing a revolution was not the best answer to the political trumoil. Also the militia coup was backed by Nixon so there is that.
And it's Spanish the official language.
Best option on Latin America on pretty much any standard. Progressive laws, good weather - main negative thing I can think of is that rent can be quite expensive. I've considered moving there in the past but my Spanish is awful.
Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
yes, the country famous for being accepting of foreigners, that is also known for a high standard of living...
ok then move to mars, final offer
Venezuela is nice at this time of the year too
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that's a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk's overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
As a Japanese, I think Japan has always been a fascists' country. The flavor of nazism did change from German one to American one after WW2, though
Japanese are starting to hate gaijin. Because of disrespectful tourists and “influencers”.
As someone who lives in Japan, I've got some bad news for you...
The good news is that it's mostly just the olds. The bad news is that it isn't exclusively just the older generations.
still, EU countries have far superior electoral systems than the US to help mitigate the rise and influence of Fascism.
/pedant the term would be “emigrating”
Specifically the second one.
immigrate from Europe
emigrate to Europe
Europe accepts its sons and daughters of long ago. Specially the talented ones who contributed to empowering science in the US.
Not the Drumpf family, tho. Those can stay there instead of returning to their roots in Germany. The last thing we want is a "Make Germany Great Again" movement - they're already great right now, no need to fix what's not broken, thank you.
I wish the first part were actually true, on the bureaucratic level. Sadly it is quite difficult to emigrate to the EU
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