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[-] kamenlady@lemmy.world 76 points 4 weeks ago

Cycling would also help to reduce the amount of dangerously fat people. Which is an ever increasing problem.

[-] ValiantDust@feddit.org 56 points 4 weeks ago

And not just fat people. It helps prevent cardiovascular diseases.

For me the biggest benefit aside from generally increased fitness is how it helps with my mental health. It's hardly a new revelation that exercising regularly is good for your mental health. But it's so much easier to get yourself to move when you have to to get somewhere than it is if it's purely for exercise. At least for me.

[-] joshchandra@midwest.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

But it’s so much easier to get yourself to move when you have to to get somewhere than it is if it’s purely for exercise. At least for me.

That's definitely not just in your case!!

[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago

We can keep going. Reducing the amount of fat people will ease the strain on hospital systems and health care expenses.

[-] Jimius@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 4 weeks ago

Even if expenses remained the same, the reduced number of patients would mean more attention and level of care per patient.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

True story: I was just at presentation for cyclists... there were maybe 30 of us. Every single person, young and old, were trim and healthy looking.

Go to any car show, and let me know if you can say the same. LOL

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 4 weeks ago

I dated someone for a couple months who was really into cycling. Like, she'd ride from NYC up to Storm King (~75 miles) for funsies. She had the body of a greek god. (Was also super smart and pursuing an interesting career. I'm still sad she dumped me, but she was reasonably kind about it.)

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

It also help to just feel better in general.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

dangerously fat people

This isn't a particularly nice phrasing - I think the same meaning could easily be conveyed with some slightly kinder choice of words.

[-] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Jimius@discuss.tchncs.de 55 points 4 weeks ago

Electric cars have very little upsides compared to gasoline cars. They're basically made for the car industry. Not the consumer.

What we need is more cycling and public transportation.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 4 weeks ago

That statement is just straight out false. Yes electric cars still represent a huge deal of energy needs for producing, but they are much, much more efficient at using energy than ICE cars. If I remember correctly it was something like 40% vs 90% energy efficiency? That's why if you put several electric cars connected in a row, place them on tracks, externalize the power source, and you get the most efficient way of travelling - trains.

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[-] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 39 points 3 weeks ago

Roads and highways would be perfectly fine cycling infrastructure, if we just got the giant motorized death machines off of them.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

I liked your comment, but there is a lot more space that could be regained for pedestrians as well if we cyclists took only the space we needed. Car infrastructure is easily converted into one, but not into the other and asphalt causes heat islands.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Plus, roads are important for the people who can't walk or cycle as well as for emergency services. Goods can't all be transported by bike, either. Of course, that doesn't require multiple lanes. Part should be kept, part turned into small green spaces to compensate for the environmental effect of the road, and part should be used for separate cycling and walking spaces. It becomes a bit more complex with streets that aren't big enough for all that, of course.

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[-] kemsat@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah, but bicycles don’t have the same profit margins as cars

Edit: just gonna add that I was being snarky with this comment. I’m for walkable cities with quality public transportation infrastructure.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 24 points 3 weeks ago

Bikes really are a downward spiral. First people don't need to spend 20% of your annual salary into their car so they have all this extra money that they can use.

Worse! Since they are now traveling through their city in open air rather in a glass and steel prison they might start noticing local businesses and spend their money there rather than the billionaire's owned giant box store.

And now that they arrive home on their bike they will stay to notice their neighbors, maybe even say hi and start building local communities. It's also much easier to build a local community when you don't have deadly machines that you need to avoid passing in front of your house all the time.

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My $4k piece of carbon and $3k hunk of titanium would like to have a word...

I would bet just about anything that the only reason profit margins could possibly be higher for a car is due to volume


which, if everyone rode bikes, wouldn't be an issue at all.

Absolute profit, sure


cars are more expensive, so they'll win out.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

$7k doesn't get you much of a car. That's the beauty of bikes, getting something that is basically professional-tier is still quite within reason to be purchased by an average consumer.

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[-] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

Might be less of a difference than we would think since every shared car would presumably become multiple bikes.

Eg: Family of 4 that have 1 car, turns into 4 bikes?

Of course big oil wouldn't like that very much. Screw you big oil, you are a turd.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 weeks ago

Cycling and walking are also far healthier options since they count for the whole "if you walk at least 30 minutes a day your chances of heart conditions drop by 70%" thing.

Even better, the fewer the cars around, the better it gets for everybody who walks and cycles (due to decreased pollution and less danger on the road).

Even electric cars and even if 100% of our electricity was from renewables still pollute due to the micro-particles produced by the tires when rolling on the road (and heavier vehicles make this worse).

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[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 19 points 3 weeks ago

I just want cheap and reliable mass transit.

[-] stormeuh@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Yes! Fuck this individualistic "you should cycle instead of taking the car" language. We need collective investment in mass transit, because not everyone can bike to work, and even less people want to do it in the rain.

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[-] seat6@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 weeks ago

to be honest; a factor of 10 seems a bit low

[-] arc@lemm.ee 18 points 3 weeks ago

I have an EV and I still agree with this. An EV is better than an ICE vehicle but it is no substitute for designing cities around people - footpaths, cycle lanes, recreation, public transport etc.

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[-] bss03@infosec.pub 17 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, I will cycle 15 miles (one-way) to the nearest produce section.

I'm all for bikes in sufficiently urban areas, but they are never going to be reasonable for 90% of America (by land mass, not population).

We need passenger train service (or other mass transit) that can cover lower density areas and still be reliable. (There's active train tracks within 100m of both my driveway and the produce section, so for me a passenger train would be ideal.)

[-] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

I would love to be able to ride trains to get places and not have to drive everywhere.

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[-] iridebikes@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

If we had passenger trains with bike storage, I would never need a car again. We will never see that in America though. We can barely get infrastructure built. We have no national impetus to get it done.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago

So the tracks are already there they just don't run passenger trains on it?..

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[-] Strawberry 8 points 3 weeks ago

It really seems like your phrasing and tone indicate you think your views are incompatible with the thesis of this article, but they aren't

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[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 weeks ago

who do I need to kill to get the infrastructure going?

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago

You can start with politicians like Doug Ford in Ontario, Canada. He passed bills letting him rip out fairly new bike lanes from Ontario's largest city's downtown, banning the entire province from building new bike lanes without his approval, and hidden in his bill is legislation that lets him build highways without doing any environmental assessments.

All while Canada is in a economic and housing crisis, a time where bicycles and bike lanes can lower cost of living and support denser housing developments.

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[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The emission savings from replacing all those internal combustion engines with zero-carbon alternatives will **not **feed in **fast enough **to make the necessary difference in the time we can spare: the next five years. Tackling the climate and air pollution crises requires curbing all motorised transport, particularly private cars, as quickly as possible. Focusing solely on electric vehicles is slowing down the race to zero emissions.

Ah thank god we still have 5 years. Now the climate scientists just need to advise the general public to start shooting all the cars through the motorblock because it has been scientifically proven that is the one way we'll make it.

Published: March 29, 2021 10.59am EDT

OH MY GOD!!!! WE ONLY HAVE A YEAR LEFT TO MURDER ALL THE CARS??

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[-] Baguette@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately I live where its cold and raining 99% of the time. They are trying to build a line from where i live to where I work though so it might be bearable to bike the distance to the station in the rain

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 33 points 3 weeks ago

Bicycles just aren't suitable for cold places. They only work in places with warm, sunny weather. Like Norway.

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[-] Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

The netherlands, a huge cycling country, is also known as a dreary place where it rains more than the sun shines. You just put on a good waterproof outfit and you're good. Cycling heats you up as well, so as long as you have good clothes I would say its doable up to and including freezing temperatures, depending on the road surface.

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[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

I live in Denmark and despite wind and horrible weather still we manage to bike everywhere for most of our needs.

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[-] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

I think something that gets regularly overlooked is scooters. They can be gas or electric and they will drastically reduce emissions. ICE scooters can do 100 mpg and the manufacturing emissions are going to be a sliver of what a car or truck would be.

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[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

I can’t see this taking off in my city. It’s tropical here and during the colder months it’s in the 80s.

People are not going to cycle to work because they will be drenched in sweat by the time they arrive.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago

Given how popular bikes used to be in Vietnam, which is positively scorching most of the time, I don't think this narrative had any credibility.

Besides, with e-bikes being a thing, this take is even less valid

[-] regul@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

Just going to point out that it's kind of an unreasonable expectation that people will not be sweaty when it's that hot outside.

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[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

Thats why we need EVs...

Electric bikes are a big help on hilly or hot commutes

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