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I’m 41 years old, I’ll be 42 in a few weeks, I’m getting really tired of living through these “once in a lifetime events” every 24-48hrs.
Total sidebar: You should re-read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when you turn 42!
That's what I did. Now I'll never forget the last time I read the series.
I’ll have to do that thanks.
As a 45yo, I agree.
Yeppp. Also makes me really distrust mainstream economists, because somehow these crashes always come as a surprise.
Like what we're doing is not working. We need to try something else
You assume that educated people are making the final decision, when that has not been the case in at least 60 years.
Economists can scream from the roof-tops that the wealth-gap is harmful (they have), that ignoring science is regressive (they have), and that tariffs are fucking stupid (they have). But if the people in power (i.e CEO, Lobbyists, President) simply ignore them and do stupid shit anyway, it's all pointless.
Moral of the story, this is not on the economists. This is on the stupid being in positions of power and the ignorant masses not holding them accountable.
Mainstream economists have been predicting this for nearly a year. It's a surprise to almost no one.
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Lets hope this leads to Republicans loosing for 60 years like last time :3
Trump is golfing while a man he admits is innocent is in an El Salvador prison
You can't really use past market events as a reference for anything happening now. The global system is completely different and changing very fast. The longer term implications here are that the U.S. Govt has been out of money for a while and there is a ton of upcoming debt to issue. Part of the response to this is to fund the Govt using tariffs, and begin shrinking the deficit by using the economic problems and the total debt to justify it. They are trying to avoid a debt crisis where there is more debt being issued than buyers. The problem is that this time, with other options existing for capital than Treasuries, which given the circumstances, the old idea that people run to Govt debt when the markets crash for safety just might not hold up this time. The end result is that they haven't solved anything, and in fact made the upcoming debt crisis much worse. What's more is that the old reserve currency dollar system being replaced will accelerate now as trade is forced to route around the U.S. There are so many second order effects here too, all of this will kick off a justification to privatize everything and have the private sector jump in to save and replace Govt functions. What they have wanted to do all along anyway, and given the current political climate will mirror the oligarchs taking over Govt functions after the collapse of the USSR. This is just more of a controlled demolition.
Sorry for the wall of text. Also, a bretton woods style agreement will be necessary, it's just that there is no single world power strong enough to enforce one. The futures for Monday look pretty bad too, and there are so many unresolved problems since 2008 that could blow up one after another once all the liquidity is removed and there is no one willing to purchase all the upcoming debt.
The debt issue is greatly over exaggerated. The US as a whole owns over 300 trillion in assets and trillions more in untouched resources. The US isn't broke and it isn't poor. It only feels poor because
- our capitalist system is nearly the worst possible system for distributing resources where they actually need to go and
- Capitalists use their resources to corrupt and bend our government to their will which results in car centric urban sprawl that is 5x less resource efficient.
For example, if we built public transit and walkable cities we could make transit completely free and it would cost far less than subsidizing car dependency. But we can't do that nation wide because it would devalue the car industry, the asphalt industry, rubber industry, and the oil industry. Under capitalism, the profits of the 0.1% always take priority over what benefits the 99%
We're entering Once in a Lifetime Recession #5. Buckle up folks. The feds up shits creek and has been since COVID, so no cash bailouts are coming anytime soon. This should be a fun one!
Step 1: Crash market
Step 2: buy cheap stock
Step 3: undo regulation/get kicked out
Step 4: market rebounds
Step 5: Sell stocks for huge profits.
Nah dude, there's more to it.
Step 1: already have a fortune put away in the US stock market.
Step 2: promise a business friendly environment after the election
Step 3: get elected
Step 4: sell off your stocks while confidence is high and market is on the up
Step 5a: put all your money on shorting index funds with the highest possible leverage
Step 5b: impose tarrifs
Step 6: use aggressive foreign policy to prevent foreign buyers from acquiring a share of the now discounted US economy.
Step 7a: settle short positions get infinite money (Trump will have leverage that us plebs cannot comprehend)
Step 7b: stabilise economy
Step 8: use infinite money to buy significant chunks of the US economy
Once all steps are complete trump is king in all but name even after he leaves office.
As much as if hate to admit it, the orange clown has pulled a massive big brain play. It's terrifying what he could be planning next.
Just wait until the markets open on Monday...
Wow, $11 trillion is a lot. Really puts the $36 trillion sitting liquid in offshore tax havens into perspective (yet seems to be missing from every conversation about money.)
Its liberation day!
The US stock market has been liberated of 11 trillion dollars and counting.
What a party, what a party.
"Drill, baby, drill"
Stock market: "To the ~~moooooon~~ cooooooooore!"
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Amazing how every time the Republicans get majority control of things the markets go to shit. The faster they work to dismantle what democratic control of something exists the faster it falls apart.
Oh no, billionaires losing unrealized gains, what a shame
Let's flip the fuck out about it
Or regular people all losing money they had invested
I have parents who are near retirement who voted for trump. Only my dad works and has to support my mom. This upcoming weekend, I'm gonna ask him how his portfolio is looking. If his vote is paying off.
There's more people who don't have investments than there are that do. That includes 401k. Welcome to the poor people's club.
50% of the country has a 401k and like 40% has an IRA.. They are not worth much, that is the point the poor people can't afford to get more poor, the rich people can. they've realized theres nothing else their money can buy so their happy to destroy the world out of boredom. And you cheer them on.
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Dude how many of the 49% of USA citizens who can't even handle a 1k USD emergency spend have stocks or options
How many of the 120 million people who have feared for years that they won't get to enjoy their social security have stocks or options
Because that's the regular people
Are you even reading yourself
I'm sorry to tell you but everyone is screwed except the billionairs who will just buy everything for pennies on the dollar. What do you think companies will do when their stocks are crashing? They will lay off more people until they inevitably go belly up and then all of those people are out of jobs. Shit is about to get real.
Someones forgetting about 401ks
401ks are invested. People losing their retirement funds. I personally don't have any because I had to use mine up last time I was between jobs for a year, but many innocent people who aren't rich and voted against Trump are being hurt as well.
Millions of people have 401k plans through their employers and have had them for years and are counting on them to live when they retire.
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Curious how does that stack up historically with the largest drops in history percentage-wise?
I checked out the investopedia article:
- The Dow had its sixth-worst week of the 21st century; it fell 7.9% over the week and 9.3% in the last two days.
- The Dow shed 2,231 points on Friday, its third-largest one-day point decline on record.
- The Nasdaq Composite has dropped 11.4% since Trump’s tariff announcement, also its worst 2-day stretch since March 2020.
Of some note is that the market was only allowed to tumble for two of those five days following the announcement of the tariffs. That almost assuredly makes a difference here.
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Now I know why Trump, during his rally, said people would ask him to stop winning.
Gasp! However, zero sympathy for the MAGA voters losing their asses in the stock market.
Unfortunately I sincerely doubt a lot of them have retirement savings of any significance. There’s a reason Red States are a bigger draw on federal money than Blue States. But if there’s any consolation, once the food prices start hitting again they’ll take notice.
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so the chainsaw worked!
so weird to be cheering for our own demise, but is it really our own demise? i don't own stocks. do you? and where does 11 trillion actually go? to another country's market? fiat currency is so weird. it's almost as if it's all just smoke and mirrors that don't actually reflect reality. did anything physically change since dumptwat announced tariffs? capitalism just seems like a giant lie divorced from reality. let's burn it all down.
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Let's see if he can make that number $111 Trillion lost by the end of May 2025.
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