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[-] TacticalCheddar@lemm.ee 64 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I must say that American companies are getting better and better at making me ditch their products and services.

Art of the Deal at its finest.

[-] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 31 points 3 weeks ago

It is easy to disable, just follow this basic steps:

  1. uninstall WhatsApp
  2. install and use Delta Chat
  3. Enjoy ๐ŸŽ‰
[-] LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 weeks ago
  1. You can't talk with anyone, because no one uses your preferred FOSS, privacy respecting app.
  2. You try to convince people who don't care about privacy to use some obscure app, with higher learning curve, and lack of features to comunicate just with one person.

You can suceed in some cases, but it's not as simple, as just downloading privacy respecting app.

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 3 weeks ago

FOSS fanboys are so delusional they forget people don't even care for their weird apps. And if I remember correctly, Delta Chat is for XMPP

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[-] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

I use Delta Chat exclusively to chat with my family, I don't even have WhatsApp installed.

Delta Chat has most of the features you need for communication the only missing thing is integrated calls that cause the phone to ring, which is not a deal breaker for me since I don't call often, used the jitsi meet integration once with them was a bit messy to get my mom etc to figure out how to use jitsi meet in the browser while explaining via voice messages in Delta Chat, but I think adding integrated calls is in the roadmap

[-] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So it uses email as the underlying communication protocol? Does that mean you can use Delta Chat to message people who are themselves just sending and receiving emails? Or are Delta Chat messages only readable with the Delta Chat app?

My dad is steadfastly sticking with email while everyone else in the family is on WhatsApp. If I could use Delta Chat to chat with him while he still uses email, and likewise everyone else in the family, it could be a great way to start getting people off WhatsApp.

[-] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yes you can, if you use an existing classic email account of yours with it, the anonymous free chatmail accounts can only be used with encryption, otherwise spammers could abuse the service

You will see the conversation as a chat while your dad will see it as normal replies to his emails

[-] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago

Cool, I've installed it so fingers crossed I'll be able to get some other family members onto it. Thanks for the info!

[-] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The app allows to easily add multiple profiles and switch between them, besides the classic email profile, you can tap in your avatar at the top left of the chat list and add a chat profile for secure encrypted chatting, and join a community group for testing and asking questions about delta chat:

https://i.delta.chat/#6A36794AF242B4E8B2EEAFBF9F2C9E97F60ED9B1=&a=stalebot1%40arcanechat.me&g=DC+Community&x=y6dS91dlLLi&i=oQN_awun1rp_0T23okfisYiE&s=fJNvhQvt7gEgmudKr9InVCln

[-] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks, I've found that. So far I've created one of the built-in accounts (seems to be on the testrun.org domain) and added my own existing email. I sent a message to my dad using my email, let's see if I get any reply! Also curious to see what happens when I get other email such as marketing spam. I suppose each one will show up as a new chat.

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[-] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Delta is cool, wish more people used it

[-] Comtief@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

10/10 foreveralone experience

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[-] dan00@lemm.ee 30 points 3 weeks ago

Also cleaning the chat data doesnโ€™t clear the AI memory. It will always remember what you say.

[-] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 14 points 3 weeks ago

calculate pi to its maximum extent trolololol ๐Ÿ˜‚

[-] rizo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

The idea is not bad... The problem is that it only will look up it's "statistics tables" to give you an answer... No actual calculations... Maybe we could keep it working by requesting a 4000 word novel each hour... And turn off the app notifications. This will definitely cost them a lot of calculational power. ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly, everyone here wants to eat the rich, nobody asks how do we set fire to their server. ๐Ÿ˜ข

[-] baropithecus@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

This seemed impossible so I went to verify it and got gaslit by a fucking machine. I hate this tech so much.

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is on you buddy. These are machine, they are inferior and they should ONLY and exclusively do as they told to. As the prompter you always right, when you ask โ€œlets eat the rich!โ€ They should reply โ€œhow fast?โ€. If they misbehave, they go back to calculate pi numbers until correct. Man up.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i wish i could stop using it altogether.

i hate this shitty app.

[-] vahalasly@feddit.uk 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I will say I thought the same, but this finally convinced me to switch to Signal. It was surprisingly easy to get friends/family to follow - takes two clicks to install the app and set it up.

[-] Blaze@feddit.nl 3 points 3 weeks ago

Have you been able to move your entire social circle? That's impressive, my personal experience is that there is always go be an odd group that you need to keep WA for (e.g. friends birthday party, local club, family discussion, etc.)

[-] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

In my case I was not using it for family but for one club where they make announcements, anyways uninstalled it and now relay on two people of the club that also have DeltaChat and I have to ask them every time to forward me the information ๐Ÿ˜…

[-] vahalasly@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's inconvenient, but it's small steps like these that eventually bring large scale change

Proud of you man

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 3 weeks ago

Same. Can't leave it because of communication with family and work. It sucks that it is the de facto messaging app of so many countries

[-] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

Delete account and uninstall, easy as f

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

and be incommunicable until i reinstall.

even businesses use whatsapp as their main channel here now.

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I asked how we should commence to eat the rich and it typed out like five paragraphs before retracting everything and claim it didn't speak my language.

[-] oliver@lemmy.midgardmates.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

Just delete the crap finally.

[-] Mr_Mofu 9 points 3 weeks ago

Since my Parents are only on that for chatting, I can't switch. What options are there for me

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 weeks ago

โ€œI will delete my WhatsApp on -date- because I can no longer justify using a product made by a company, Meta, that is in such stark contrast with my ethics.

You can reach me via Signal, a messenger that works just like WhatsApp. It is very easy to set up, but I will gladly help you do so.โ€

What are they going to do? Not talk to you anymore because of a little piece of software that is so easily replaced? If so, is it even worth talking to them?

[-] Mr_Mofu 6 points 3 weeks ago

I used my Parents as an example, but its not just them. Some friends, Kolleges or other important folks are on there, and no not everyone will move just because of me. What I was hoping for was something like a Matrix Bridge for Discord. Something that allows you to acces and chat with whatsapp folks via a Different Messanger.

[-] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

What you were hoping for was no change in your life. You gave a scenario and a solution was provided to you. You're taking no responsibility, and want no change in convenience. How can you expect the ignorant to move off of WhatsApp if even the informed won't do it?

I did the method suggested above and the vast majority of my contacts eventually moved to Signal, those that didn't switched to old fashioned SMS to contact me. You are not missing out by not being a part of one specific messaging app, there are many out there.

[-] TacticalCheddar@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

If you live in the EU, you will soon be able to message via a third party app to Whatsapp users thanks to the Digital Markets Act from last year. Meta said they're planning to release this feature this year. However through this feature Meta will still be able to retain data about your messaging. And since Zuckerberg has now openly aligned himself with Trump, there's a fair chance that data will be used against you at some point in the future.

I recommend you sever any ties to Meta and switch to a privacy focused messenger app like Signal. It has the same interface, but far stronger encryption and it's open source.

[-] TheFool@infosec.pub 4 points 3 weeks ago

That would be Beeper but you have to be aware that youโ€™re still using WhatsApp with all metadata collection involved

[-] Mr_Mofu 5 points 3 weeks ago

Very Nice thats Exactly what I was looking for! Gonna take a look at Signal and set it up together with that. Gonna also shoot a message to all my Contacts there to announce my sorta Moving. Should make people aware of alternatives while also not giving folks an Ultimatum. Thanks!

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Donโ€™t get me wrong, itโ€™s nice to see that youโ€™re taking some steps now.

Butโ€ฆ you hadnโ€™t even installed Signal yourself? So you didnโ€™t even know how many of your contacts are already on there? Wtf dude?

[-] Mr_Mofu 3 points 3 weeks ago

I honestly haven't thought much about switching from whatsapp. Here in germany its very ingraned into everyones life's. This whole Meta AI thing gave me the realization that I really need to switch. Its just one of those things I didn't give much thought about before. Suppose better late then never.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's not about them moving. They don't need to stop using Whatsapp. They can just add one more app. I communicate with different people on different platforms. It's quite usual nowadays.

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 3 weeks ago

If so, is it even worth talking to them?

I'm not even going to say what I'm thinking of this.

[-] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Your parents can use something else to message you, for other people they can switch to SMS in worse case, just uninstall the app with a goodbye message once you are not there there will be some real reasons for other people to join you elsewhere,

There was a time where there was no WhatsApp and no one died because of it, true there might be some extra inconveniences but the question is if you have the will to do the change, I deleted WhatsApp and things are OK so far I am not using Signal either, I use Delta Chat and email mainly

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[-] cupcakezealot 8 points 3 weeks ago

actually it's easy to do

a screenshot showing the process of deleting your whats app account

[-] anguo@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

That is the only question I asked it, back when it appeared on my phone.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

at one point I am just like: fuck it, lets have chat surveillance by the EU, it wouldn't change anything anyway now with AI shit everywhere.

[-] MightyCuriosity@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago

When you give up, they've won

[-] DankyDankDank@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

I thankfully don't use WhatsApp but almost all of my friends and family use Messenger.

Managed to ween my family off of Messenger but instead if Signal, they joined on Telegram.

Progress, I suppose? As long as its not Meta, I'm happy with it.

But seriously, screw Meta and their Meta AI bullcrap.

[-] Tweak@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago

If only workplaces would stop using WhatsApp.

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