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Heaven on earth = Communism (lemmy.ml)
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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

The problem with communism is it assumes everyone wants that same thing. There are some evil baddies that don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. They only care about the money and the power and are usually the ones that eventually become the leaders.

If someone can tell me of an actual communist country that has worked, I'm all ears. I'm sure you could do it on a small scale, because you can weed out the baddies. On a large scale though? The greeds will take over just like anything else.

[-] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, if the CIA weren’t actively undermining communist governments and causing them to collapse, or funding spoiler or puppet candidates to distort the communist government’s growth and ideals, because communism is a direct assault on capitalism and their capitalist overlords… then maybe you’d see a functioning communist country…

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe, maybe not. That’s an untested theory. Though I do think communists tend to overstate the power and influence of the CIA and other western sabotage. They certainly had an influence but they were not solely responsible for every single domestic problem the PRC and USSR had. Many were clearly attributable to their own policy decisions.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I think y'all put way too much credit in the competency of the CIA lmao

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Meh, you're still thinking of scenarios that aren't our reality to make it happen. You're just saying that the CIA are the baddies and the greeds.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

Resilience to outside interference and internal perturbations is one of the criteria based on which a system has to be evaluated.

[-] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, come on. When you and your neighbor are in the same socio-economic bracket sure, that’s fine. But, when you have a petty neighborly fight with Elon Musk, do you really think it’s a fair fight?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's not a fair fight, but it's gonna happen anyway. I mean a population of perfectly exploitable labor with no one to exploit them just sprung up; why would capitalists ever do anything except try to exploit it?

[-] Clasm@ttrpg.network 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ain't looking too good for capitalist society then, either...

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

It doesn't even need to be bad people at first. For example under a socialist society can you pay a teenager to mow your lawn? What about if you promise to help someone find a teenager to mow their lawn and take a percentage of the money? What if you do it a hundred times?

Edit: Engrish.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

I have to agree. Maybe that teenager loves this idea because they're kind of shy. Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, etc., started out as exactly that, but then they became the greeds. Also, there are tons of small businesses that don't became complete assholes and have employees that live a good life. Capitalism can work, it's just having a heart attack right now.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago

The idea behind leftist criticism of capitalism is that inevitably the greedy businesses will expand more and cannibalize the non-asshole businesses. Think of what Walmart and co did to local grocers. The heart attack (aka late stage capitalism) is the inevitable result of capitalists being allowed to accumulate wealth over generations and capture the system that was supposed to keep them in check, because fundamentally under a capitalist system money is power and the rich have more of it than you do. I honestly have no idea how to solve this, but the problem is a bit deeper than just a heart attack.

Edit: More Engrish.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Agree with everything you just said. We can fix it, but I doubt we will. All the judges would have to claw back what they've already done. We can hinder it maybe. At least I hope so.

[-] mocoma@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Communism does not assume that everyone wants the same thing, and it does take on account the "evil baddies". This is all on the theory.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 14 points 3 weeks ago

Haven't you heard?

Hell is other people.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, we all have to die first? Well shit, there's always a catch

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