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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 204 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Neat. I wish I could do that. I tried several years ago when I actually had some money because I saw this coming. Nobody wanted disabled people then, and less so Americans now.

People wouldn’t listen back then, when I was called hyperbolic and alarmist, and good fucking luck leaving now. People think leaving is easy – it’s not. We’re stuck in this shit show.

Can’t fix it, can’t leave. Going down with the ship. Fuck everyone who voted to kill me. I will not survive this administration. I’ll probably die within the year because, though I worked my ass off in IT since the 90s, I had to burn through my savings by being weak enough to get sick. *I already have to choose between food and medicine, so I mostly don’t eat. I’ll just stop buying medicine.

So fuck me, I deserve to die now. There’s no escape. There’s no hope.

[-] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 84 points 2 weeks ago

I just want to say i live in a safe area kinda and have room if you want to survive next 4 years in a progressive state in the middle of the woods but near jobs.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 weeks ago

That’s very kind of you, thanks, truly.

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I am lucky I live on the border of a blue state. If I got to bug out, then I can.

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[-] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 2 weeks ago

For the small chance that you have german ancestors, you can claim back their citizenship if they suffered under the nazi regime

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

EDIT: see end of comment

If you have any traceable Italian citizenship it is possible to claim Italian citizenship. Even like great-great-great-great-grandparents. But there's a lot of asterisks involved. There are offices that specialize in this that might help (for a fee).

But if you DO qualify and get all the paperwork and get an appointment and approved, you get full citizenship immediately. Italy always considered you a citizen since birth but did not know about you.

EDIT:

Italy put a stop to this like, a few days ago. Damn. Now it's maximum grandparents. https://www.imidaily.com/europe/italy-adopts-decree-restricting-citizenship-by-descent/

Should've figured with all the anti-immigrant sentiment this would be ending soon.

[-] SoleInvictus 13 points 2 weeks ago

It has 60 days to be approved by parliament and there's a lot of squawking about it being unconstitutional by immigration attorneys. As gross as it is, the more nationalist fucks are also against it for fairly racist reasons. They can't stand the idea of Muslims getting citizenship before anyone else 🤮

I'm hoping if it does pass, it'll still leave a route to citizenship for Italian descendants. We were literally getting ready to file when this dropped.

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[-] TylerBourbon@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

wish that were true if you had Dutch ancestors. My maternal Grandfather immigrated with his parents when he was a little boy and came through Ellis Island. I've tried looking before, but from what I could, that wouldn't qualify me for Dutch citizenship, sadly. Otherwise, I'd probably jump at it.

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Welsh, Scottish, Danish, exclusively. It’s funny, because one side came here in the early 1600s and was the first person to get capital punishment in this country (tried to sell the Bronck’s Farm, was hanged ‘til nearly dead, ear cut off, then banished to New Jersey), then another was Postmaster General and Secretary of the Interior – heritage is weird. And it doesn’t always pass on, no matter what these purists think.

You don’t inherit value, you create it.

e: to the DMers/downvoters:

This guy

And this guy (my great uncle, grandpa’s brother)

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 22 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah it's really hard. Most won't qualify.

If you're a skilled researcher or tenured professor you have a better shot but it will still not be easy.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 100 points 2 weeks ago

Never thought I would see a flood of Americans refugees coming to Canada to escape a tyrannical government...

I guess that's what you get when you elect a criminal with dementia as president.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

Really? People have been talking about it since the Bush administration. Until now things hadn't gotten bad enough for people to actually do it in large numbers, but people saying that if the Republicans win they'd move to Canada has been repeated so often over the decades that it became a bit of a joke.

[-] lorski@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 weeks ago

Trump 2.0 is WAY worse than any Bush.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 weeks ago

Without the crucial steps the W Bush admin took, there would be no Trump. It's not that Trump isn't worse but they are part of the same fascist movement, just further developed.

[-] lorski@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 weeks ago

We are talking people fleeing the USA for their lives. This is Trump phenomena as he is demonizing and literally going after dissenters.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I know, but it's the "never thought" part that I'm disputing. People have been thinking of this situation for a long time.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 84 points 2 weeks ago

Must be nice to be able to leave

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 57 points 2 weeks ago

scientists are usually the first target of when a dictator takes power, they often leave before shit hits the fan. then it goes to POC, and then lgbtq+, and then non-loyalists.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Controlling the universities is for control of information.

The Nazis could easily burn down the Institute of Sex Research and all it contents. Today’s fascists cannot burn down the science on queer people and global warming.

Universities have smart people who can say “hey this is the way your economic policies are harming this group of people” or “being LGBT is a normal human variation” or “the American civil war was fought over slavery” or “here are characteristics that seem to be common to every incarnation of fascism, and how they all seem to be related to what’s happening now.”

The idiot arm attacks knowledge online with Alex Jones style “information warfare” - just repeating insane falsehoods over and over again. Never playing defense, always flooding the web with lies and half truths. This is also why fascists love AI so much. (How much time do people waste arguing with bots? And the amount of bots makes these ideas seem more “normal” and common then they are…)

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 2 weeks ago

If we all go in on a boat we can invade Ireland

They can't stop us all

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Seriously. I wonder why European countries aren't massively jumping on this opportunity. Like every developed country, the nations of Europe need immigrants to prop up their demographics. Most of Europe's immigrants have been coming from countries in the global South. And while such immigrants have done well for the nations of Europe, there will always be less friction in bringing in immigrants from countries of more similar culture. Fuck any racists who hate Muslims. But the cold truth is it's probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries. European countries desperately need immigration, but right wing politics is on the rise, in large part due to the frictions of immigration. Obviously American and European cultures are not the same; there are still very real cultural differences. But European vs. American culture is far closer than many other cultural pairings out there.

European countries do have some very limited ancestry-based immigration policies. But they usually only go back a generation or two. If your parent or grandparent immigrated from a European country to the US, you can get easy immigration in a lot of EU countries. But for most Americans of European descent, that immigration happened generations ago.

If the EU countries were clever right now, they could take advantage of this opportunity to bring in large numbers of disaffected Americans. They could offer relocation assistance, make it cheap and easy for educated American progressives to pack their bags and jump the pond. And in exchange they get workers in their economies they don't have to train to educate, and immigrants who would assimilate quite readily into the existing cultural milieu.

Hell, personally, I'm a typical American in that I have a hodgepodge of European ancestry. But my ancestors came over before 1900, there's nowhere in Europe I qualify for immigration based on ancestry. But if one of the countries my ancestors came from wanted to made it cheap and easy for me to return to the old country, I would jump on that.

Hell, the politics of it sell itself. Bill it politically as "bringing the European diaspora home."

[-] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

But the cold truth is it's probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries

I genuinely don't think it makes a big difference for like 99% of immigrants. The process is pretty much the same. Gotta find work, a home and learn the language. The cultural friction you mentioned mostly affects the immigrants themselves rather than society as a whole.

Plus there are already ways for Americans to move here, especially skilled workers. There are some hurdles of course but it's doable. Don't really see why we should make it any easier except for potential refugees like Latin Americans and queer people.

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[-] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

The goal will be to send Americans to die in war in Greenland and other countries through drafts. They will use American citizens to fight against the allied nations of World War Two. They will send you to die against your friends. Open your fucking eyes.

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[-] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 68 points 2 weeks ago

I'd be afraid to announce it until I'm out

[-] tacobellhop@midwest.social 53 points 2 weeks ago

We’re definitely in show me your papers days

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago

Timothy Synder left for Canada too...

That's two less canaries in the coalmine.

[-] notabot@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago

Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.

[-] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago

I know this isn’t related to the article but I would love it as a fuck you to Trump if Canada started allowing political refugees from the states

[-] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

My fear would be our MAGAts would lie tou you, claim they were never MAGA, get in, and start the same shit there.

[-] Bonzaibongo@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

they would have to scrub their entire social medias, they can barely work their iphones half the time.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately they're already here :(

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

It'll take a lot more than words and guns

A whole lot more than riches and muscle

The hands of the many must join as one

And together we'll cross the river

[-] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Who gets to turn into the fire breathing t-rex?

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[-] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 2 weeks ago

I'm a US American who has been considering expatriating, but its too expensive.

Can someone tell me if my passport gets pulled, do I not have to pay the expatriation tax on my net worth?

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I'm positive they will tax you all the same

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It is incredibly unlikely that the republicans pull passports. They are very much dependent on people to be placated and insist "it is just temporary and I am going to live my life". Passports are owned/used by predominantly upper middle class families who are the most likely to try to ignore the republicans while bitching and moaning that somebody is being rude and protesting in front of a Starbucks. Take away their passports and now this impacts them rather than just "trump, biden, whatever. Groceries are still expensive and I am just going to live my life and go on vacation to Italy this year".

Historically? Yes, fascist regimes do that. That is also incredibly ineffective. We are more likely to see the China/Russia model where political crimes become increasingly prevalent (see: attacking a tesla is terrorism). The other reason to pull passports is for draft purposes. And the US Military, for as massive as it is, is not one that can be run by drafted soldiers. But republicans are also fucking idiots so... we'll see.

So... if you can get out, get the hell out.

[-] el_muerte@lemm.ee 35 points 2 weeks ago

Don't need to pull passports when ICE can just pretend anyone they pick up doesn't have one.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

And dispose of it if someone actually is carrying it.

[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

They already did pull the passports of transgender people. Clearly you’re not paying attention.

[-] EldritchFeminity 19 points 2 weeks ago

I was going to say the same thing. They started this back in January. Both taking the passports of people with an X gender identification on their passports as well as confiscating the legal documents of trans people attempting to renew their passports (birth certificates, social security cards, driver's licenses, etc.).

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