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[-] seeigel@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

How can you own and control if you have to ask that question?

Working people cannot organize themselves. If they could, the majority would not be stuck on Reddit, Facebook or X.

Of course it's frustrating but how could one overcome those limits?

[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago

Working people cannot organize themselves en masse because the ruling class actively prevents it.

Clearly, the working class is capable of organizing, otherwise unions wouldn't exist.

Often when people start getting too successful at organizing the working class, they get murdered for it.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 1 day ago

What are the barriers to the working class organizing themselves?

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

Working is usually a big part. Distance is another. Police state...we're on the edge.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago

Are those barriers fundamental, or can different conditions remove them?

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

The distance is definitely. Without the federal ties, even in the colonial days each region was its own country and actions due to distance. The rest is fundamental now because that's how it's been set up over decades, both for profitability and for control. Sometimes they give a bit to give the image of change, and that settles the public down for a while.

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

This sounds great in theory, and in a simple farming society it would appear to make sense: the farmer digs up a turnip in the field they own with the fork they own. But how might it work for something like TSMC where the workers are producing semiconductors?

According to a certain well known site they have 73090 employees with total assets of $204.22 billion. Split equally that's $2,794,089 each. So let's suppose TSMC has a socialist epiphany and now every employee is equally a near triple millionaire.

What happens if they need to employ someone new, taking the number of employees, obviously, to 73091? Would that new person have to buy their $2,794,051 share before they start working? Or is that share simply taken off the 73090 and given to the new guy?

Or what if one of the 73090 decides now they're a multimillionaire that they don't ever need to work again and cash their share in? They walk away with $2.7m in their pocket. Where did that money come from? Did the 73089 all have to buy their share off them?

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago

What happens if they need to employ someone new, taking the number of employees, obviously, to 73091? Would that new person have to buy their $2,794,051 share before they start working? Or is that share simply taken off the 73090 and given to the new guy?

In your hypothetical the workers have collective ownership of the company and would have some kind of democratic or consensus-based decision-making process. They would manage their assets through that process, rather than simply dividing things up into equal shares. If - through whatever decision-making process they happen to have - they decide that they need more workers then they would simply recruit more workers.

Or what if one of the 73090 decides now they're a multimillionaire that they don't ever need to work again and cash their share in? They walk away with $2.7m in their pocket. Where did that money come from? Did the 73089 all have to buy their share off them?

If someone wants to quit then they can quit, and take whatever severance package was decided on by whatever decision-making process the workers happen to have. Collective ownership doesn't mean everyone has an equal slice of the pie that they can just take as they please, it means everyone has a say in what happens with all of it. You have an incredibly individualistic view of the world and its sabotaging your understanding.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

I'd just like to say that it's not necessarily their fault, this is the world we live in and it's hard to imagine another.

[-] Deifyed@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Why can't the workers get paid a living wage, while the rest is invested into the company or community to also benefit the workers? If a new employee is needed, the money can come from there

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Rich businessmen ARE the working people.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

we have a duty to fight for our freedom

this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2025
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