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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 91 points 2 weeks ago

I know a great loophole for avoiding setting up a Microsoft account: don't use this steaming pile of shit in the first place.

[-] phcorcoran@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I upgraded my win10 steam pc to bazzite and the Linux driver for my old R9 380 graphics card actually supports a newer vulkan version than the win10 one, games are running great so far. I don't do insane gaming obviously but I think for older games it's a no brainer upgrade

[-] TotalCourage007@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately, Bazzite doesn't work well on my devices otherwise I would. Waiting for a full SteamOS release to get better support.

[-] Emi@ani.social 27 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, definitely switching to Linux if possible. I'm not sure how it will work with VR stuff tho.

[-] missphant 18 points 2 weeks ago

VR is possible but not ideal right now, largely depends on your headset and the games. SteamVR is lacking proper asynchronous reprojection so you can't dip below your headset's framerate without stutter and alternatives like Monado aren't as plug-and-play. Hopefully when Valve releases their (presumably) standalone Linux VR headset deckard there will be another boost to improving VR on Linux for everyone.

[-] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

Dualboot might be good since then you can tune windows to be a dedicated gaming OS which auto launches the needed things. I went from win10 to mint and haven't booted back into windows for months.

Cant speak to VR cos I switched to a Quest when I realised all I did was play BeatSaber, and the room with my computer is not very big.

[-] Emi@ani.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Don't think I ever tried dual booting, only had each os on separate disk. How does it work launching specific things and booting into windows? I was thinking about using virtual Machine but heard that can be bad on performance.

I game in a VM with near baremetal performance.
I use PCI passtgrough do pass the whole GPU into the guest.
I don't use a Desktop Environment in the host though (proxmox)

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I made my steam OS partition (Bazzite) the primary, created a new uefi boot partition for it (don't use the windows one, it's more hassle than help), and run a script to reboot into windows now. It works for me when I want to play a Windows only game.

[-] kif@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

If you've got multiple operating systems on one system, that's dual booting! You can also partition a drive to have multiple os's, but that can have slightly more difficulties.

From last time I tried virtualisation, I needed to assign my graphics card to either the host or the virtual machine, and switching was a hassle. Unless things have changed, I decided booting into windows when absolutely required (anticheat) was the best option - avoiding some of the hassle that comes with virtualisation. If you've got multiple GPUs, that might be an option.

I think OP is talking about having an application e.g. steam launch on startup, which can be set in Task Manager.

Performance for virtual machines is honestly not as bad as you'd expect, provided it has reasonable resources allocated and the host isn't being overworked. A GPU passed through will be much more enjoyable than a software/virtual GPU. You can expect 90%+ (perhaps up to 98% or so) of the performance of bare metal.

[-] PostingPenguin@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

As a quest 2 owner using Manjaro I can tell you the following: It works great. But sometimes things can ba a bit finicky.

Some games don't offer VR on their linux version (e.g. Warthunder) and are a pain to get working with their windows version on proton (allthough i havent tried this in a year).

But other than the odd exception everything is great!

And I think it'll only improve as Valve continues developing the steam deck and therefore improving proton.

[-] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago

Jokes on them, my loophole has been linux since 2006.

[-] Viri4thus@feddit.org 23 points 2 weeks ago

Good luck trying this within the EU.

[-] windowsphoneguy@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

Don't think the commission cares after Vestager's departure

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago

Most Lemmy users:

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[-] nicerdicer@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

There is another way to the internet/account bypass during Windows 11 installs.

[-] anon@lemmus.org 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I went to Windows 11 last week using the BYPASSNRO method. I really only use my PC for gaming, and I've noticed a lot more freezing in Steam than with Windows 10.

I'm moving back to 10 as we speak.

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Since I would want someone to mention to me, if I was being jerked around by Microsoft while just wanting to enjoy my Steam library:

You'll be surprised how much of your Steam library runs (with minimal effort) on Bazzite Linux and it's probably less hassle to install than doing a Windows downgrade.

[-] anon@lemmus.org 2 points 1 week ago

The only game I really play is Call of Duty, which will not currently run on Linux.

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

I wondered, since you sounded like you already had researched the situation. That sucks.

Oof. I guess Windows 10 will have to do then.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago

I could never understand why people are so against MS account. There's a similar requirement to use products from Apple and Google and everyone is ok with that.

[-] testman@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 weeks ago

everyone is ok with that

no they are not

[-] marsokod@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago

You can install Android without any Google account. And install alternative stores. Similarly, you do not need AppleID to install MacOS. I believe this is the same for iOS.

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[-] Feyd@programming.dev 30 points 2 weeks ago

I could never understand why microsoft is so against local user account. There's a similar freedom from corporate fuckery when using Linux and everyone is ok with that.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

Because normal users don't need a local account. If you want one - use the enterprise edition of Windows.

[-] FourGreenFields@feddit.org 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

... why would I want an online account? OneDrive is (or should be) optional, and can be replaced with any other cloud storage solution (and quite frankly ought to work on normal accounts too, even if requiring an online account specifically for OD). Updating the OS evidently works without an online account. Can't currently think of another reason for it.

So I'd get one optional feature, and in return less privacy.

[-] JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

You realize that PC stands for "Personal Computer", right? As in MY computer. My property. I should be free to use a local account without issue. I should be free to value my privacy.

This is why Linux is growing faster than ever. It actually understands what personal computing is.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Normal users don't need a cloud account. The fact that windows has run on local accounts for forty fckn years is evidence of this.

[-] southernbrewer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

You don't need to use an Apple account with Mac computers, and it doesn't even try very hard to convince you to either

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[-] 30p87@feddit.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

Google and Apple don't force us, though they try hard, so many are still not ok with that.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's the tracking vs utility conundrum. At the start people kind of knew that Google was gathering their information in return for free services like Gmail etc. And those services were useful/didn't show significant drawbacks etc.

But with Microsoft (who historically have allowed local accounts since the start and have comparatively only recently required or pushed for a linked account), the detriments are evident to people who use their computers for more than just surfing the web and watching Netflix or Tik Tok. It rubs them the wrong way when they have to connect a computer to the Internet to even set it up.

Some people don't live in a place where internet is a standard. Others don't necessarily want to set up a computer for themselves but for their small business or their aging grandma or for their kid (who can't legally sign up for anything but a child's account and that's significantly locked down in ways that maybe the adult doesn't want to deal with).

Some people work in fields where they have a different threat model and don't want Microsoft or other companies siphoning up their private data. Some of them are still forced to use Microsoft products because of work etc.

The thing is though, people should have the choice when they are buying a product that will belong to them about what that product does and how it functions. And the vast majority of people who do want that choice are against this measure and measures like it.

[-] CanadaGeese@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

On iOS, apple barely shoves their bloatware down your throat. Their methodology is the opposite actually. Simplistic and debloated, for the most part. Google doesnt force you into anything either. There are alternative software that you can use.

With windows the only alternative is Linux, but a small fraction of people know about let alone use Linux so thats not really in the conversation.

Windows wants to force you to make an account/log in with one which cant be done offline unless you do some commandline workarounds in win11. The issue is, this is a PC. Not an iPhone. Not a Samsung. It is your own dedicated hardware that you should be able to use as you please without being forced into an online-only system that forces copilot down your throat.

Your pc isnt “a Microsoft computer”, its a computer that happens to run an operating system made by Microsoft.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago
[-] nfreak@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago
[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

This guy just wants attention.

[-] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

I think so too. I just checked his profile, and it's riddled with overly controversial opinions, to ridiculous extents.

[-] liquidparasyte@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks to your comment, I realized I could tag users on Lemmy, and make stupid people visible like on the old RES.

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[-] p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think it's everyone being ok, more like everyone complying because sometimes you have to.

[-] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I have several Android devices that work without signing into any account. I get my apps from F-Droid and some apks extracted from my phone that does have a Google account.

Samsungs are annoying, with their regular nagging, begging you to also make a Samsung account. I would never buy one but I'm on-call with a work-owned Samsung and there's one notification that can't be disabled. It goes off every once in a while and makes me think I have a service call.

Windows, eh, I switched to Linux long ago, but there's always alphabet soup edition (IoT LTSC) that is far less bloated.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Cool I can't wait to install this thing so that I can play rimworld or whatever

[-] orvorn@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

I know you're probably joking but Rimworld plays great on Linux through Steam. I've played hundreds of hours and have loads of mods.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
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